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Old 02-03-2015, 03:14 PM
 
Location: SWFL
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…...actually more than 30 years.

One of the most horrendous war crimes in history was Gen. Curtis LeMay's firebombing of Japan, starting with Tokyo and continuing in city after city. He didn't think strategic bombing was getting the job done fast enough.

Hundreds of thousands (at least 500,000, possibly as many as a million) of non-combatants, children, women and old men were burned to death. In LeMay's own words: "scorched and boiled and baked to death."

Other LeMay quotes on the subject: “Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.... it doesn't bother me so much to be killing the so-called innocent bystanders.”


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This is the General George Wallace had running as his VP candidate? Wow, glad they didn't get in. I think I was too young to vote back then.

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Old 02-03-2015, 03:24 PM
 
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…...actually more than 30 years.

One of the most horrendous war crimes in history was Gen. Curtis LeMay's firebombing of Japan, starting with Tokyo and continuing in city after city. He didn't think strategic bombing was getting the job done fast enough.

Hundreds of thousands (at least 500,000, possibly as many as a million) of non-combatants, children, women and old men were burned to death. In LeMay's own words: "scorched and boiled and baked to death."

Other LeMay quotes on the subject: “Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.... it doesn't bother me so much to be killing the so-called innocent bystanders.”


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Thanks, and the Germans had killing squads Einsatzgruppen go out and hunt the Jews.

To be fair, the leadership of the Germans and Japanese were guilty of massive war crimes and were willing to sacrifice their civilian population to avoid being brought to justice.
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Old 02-03-2015, 03:49 PM
 
Location: USA
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Thanks, and the Germans had killing squads Einsatzgruppen go out and hunt the Jews.

To be fair, the leadership of the Germans and Japanese were guilty of massive war crimes and were willing to sacrifice their civilian population to avoid being brought to justice.
Yeah, lets not forget places like Nanking. I would prefer to be bombed.

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Old 02-03-2015, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Anyone that has ever been there realizes that WAR IS AN ATROCITY! So are some of the justifications.

A country should never indulge in one to protect foreign investment, personal squabbles or at the request of any one else. WAR is to protect your culture, your families and your future. All of these are at risk if we do not respond to the cultural threat of fundamental Islam. This thugism that calls itself a religion is a plague and, if we let it, will destroy our Western Culture and political identity. The Whabbists (sp?) as well as several other variants on the Muslim theme really do want to destroy us. We better realize this. Submittal to Islam is a more devastating atrocity then WAR.

As I said before we need to let them take their internal and irreconcilable conflicts to their logical conclusion by waging a total war against each other. This may weaken them enough that the rest of the bunch on a world wide basis can realize there are worse things than religious moderation. If not they will be easier to eliminate by war or conversion.
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Old 02-03-2015, 05:17 PM
 
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All human rights should be suspended for Muslim terrorists. Since they use our Western rights and values against us as a weapon those rights shouldn't apply to them. When they are captured, interrogate them (using torture if necessary) and then immediately execute them once it is determined they have no more information.
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Old 02-03-2015, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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It's time for a coalition to take these throwbacks to task (the fact that the US sp***ed its wad on an unnecessary war in Iraq doesn't help - the same has been a gift to the Islamists) - the US, UK, France, Germany, Australia, Canada, and even Japan (perhaps its time to re-work that constitution).
Saying it is real easy. Doing it is not easy at all.

I share your frustration, but I hope any coalition won't make moves before there is a wise, patient, and coherent plan to defeat ISIS. If a plan lacks any of those vitals, any coalition attack will only create a 7-heded Hydra, a monster much worse.

You can bet any group that seizes someone's territory against their will has to have a lot of weaknesses. Our present problem is our ignorance of what those weaknesses are and how to best exploit them for our purposes.
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Old 02-03-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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…...actually more than 30 years.

One of the most horrendous war crimes in history was Gen. Curtis LeMay's firebombing of Japan, starting with Tokyo and continuing in city after city. He didn't think strategic bombing was getting the job done fast enough.

Hundreds of thousands (at least 500,000, possibly as many as a million) of non-combatants, children, women and old men were burned to death. In LeMay's own words: "scorched and boiled and baked to death."

Other LeMay quotes on the subject: “Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.... it doesn't bother me so much to be killing the so-called innocent bystanders.”


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Yes, two wrongs don't make a right. But given the horrific crimes the Japanese army committed in China and other places, I'd say karma is a real bit^%ch...
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Old 02-03-2015, 07:53 PM
 
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Jordan said they will execute female bomber Wednesday,she will have her wish fulfilled.
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Old 02-03-2015, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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I agree that we should make a distinction between real Muslims and ISIS.

There is another thing, using the term terrorist, Bush started it and now every one is a terrorist... We should be thinking more in terms of "enemy combatant". POWs. NO ? Even listening to some people on this forum you would think that "All Muslims are terrorist"

The whole Middle East is in conflict, then there is the civil war in Ukraine. Since I am fluent in Russian I started out observing all news, US, Ukrainian and Russian. None tell the truth as far as I could tell, so I don't know. If you listen to CNN then Putin is sending insurgents into Ukraine that why Ukrainian army is bombing their own cities killing Ukrainian civilians in a region that wanted to brake away from Ukraine a few month back. Why is Putin is sending insurgents into Ukraine is not clear. Why Ukrainian army is fighting em is unclear either since, Russian citizens and Ukrainian citizens can cross the border easier then US citizens going to Canada.

With ISIS we should cut their money and their weapons while targeting em with drones or any low other cost solution.
I have been reading that they are like 30k people strong. There is a reason they are in Iraq, thanks Bush.

We should take ISIS seriously, it seems like it's only a matter of time before those crazies do some major mischief to either us or our allies.

I think we should look for a way to deal with ISIS without sacrificing American life in the Middle East.

Another thought on the Middle East, we should look for a solution for peace. We should create a plan and the means of achieve it. I mean the whole idea of peace in the middle east by having US Marines patrol the roads for ever does not work. US using our own OIL and not having to buy from there is a good start.
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Old 02-03-2015, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I've spent some time in Jordan. If the people there think that this happened to the pilot because the Jordanians are allied with the Americans, then those people are wrong. People in Jordan are not hardliners, they're quite westernized. Jordanians conduct partnership exercises and operations with more than just Americans.

Jordan borders some countries that are hostile, if regular Jordanians think there is zero threat around their borders, then they are disillusioned. Tourism is a huge money maker in Jordan, there are a lot of Americans and Chinese there. Two of the most popular sites are Petra and Jesus' Baptism site.

How many here have seen war?

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Or the US Pacific war against Japan that ended with nuking two cities. We Westerners are not unfamiliar with how to wage total war but we do know how. We just have not been enraged and insulted enough to want to.
We are quite familiar with total war. In fact, the north used total war on the south during the Civil War. Sherman's March to the Sea sound familiar? He had a scorched earth policy.

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Yes, two wrongs don't make a right. But given the horrific crimes the Japanese army committed in China and other places, I'd say karma is a real bit^%ch...
As crappy as it sounds, I feel the same way. The Japanese were huge imperialists until the end of WWII and the bad things that have happened to them since seems like karma to me.
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