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Old 02-03-2015, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Ontario
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Apparently ISIS has under 20,000 members, not even enough to fill a football stadium and not a properly trained army anyway. They're in Iraq and Syria, meaning to the west they've got the Mediterranean sea, to the east Iran, to the north Turkey and to the south Saudi Arabia. In other words, they're surrounded. It looks like this could be over with in a matter of weeks if the countries surrounding them all advanced on them at the same time and killed anyone with a gun in their hand. Why isn't it happening?
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:13 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Because the countries there have LOTS of secret sympathizers for violent jihad, it's sort of a sport over their like football is for us, and they have significant influence on the govts. Plus they keep holding back hoping that the US will intervene and foot the bill.
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:45 PM
 
Location: southern kansas
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They want the west to take care of their problems and clean up their messes, so they can absolve themselves of any responsibility of killing other Muslims. Their problems go away, and the infidels are blamed for the carnage. A win-win in their view. The problem is, we keep falling for it.
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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This is not our fight but is our concern. Fundamentalist Islam is the greatest threat to our Western culture of secular government and business that has ever existed. If we want to remain free men and women under law we have to stop this abomination. Fighting this variant on the theme of heroic jihadist is not the way to accomplish anything but making more jihadists.

We should remove all of our forces and business from the middle east. We should let the internal conflicts within Islam be settled in the only way they understand. After we leave there will be a blood war between the sects that will remain violent for a couple of decades. It will leave the population radically diminished and the infrastructure and society, including religion, demolished.

there will be an interruption in the petroleum production for a couple of decades but that is not all that big a problem. Other non-Arab sources of oil have been found and developed so the Western economies will not be out of oil. They will just have to pay more. The oil in Arabia and the middle east will not be available but will still be there stored safely underground. After this and the next generations of fanatic Arabs slaughter each other to irrelevance western culture can move in and take the oil without much opposition. We just have to be brutally indifferent to the slaughter and a bit patient with the whining by current petroleum investors.
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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Basically I do not favor sending our already stretched military. Our military is not what it was when Bush SR to fight Saddam when he invade. For example the we had 180 fighter squadrons. Now 50 and the Air force is about to cut to 40 because of funding to keep them combat ready. It would take years to build back up but I support starting has the world is not a safe place and the so called peace dividend as Clinton called it was a false policy. As its said Saddam didn't believe we would attack and now many know our limits. Huge part of foreign policy is gone and we are much more likely to be miltiarially challended going forward.
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:44 PM
 
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I agree, every politician and media outlet wants to fight the "good" war but no one wants to pick up the gun.

Too much "we should" meaning "anyone but me should."
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:46 PM
 
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We need to let them self destruct..not much you can do to salvage this:

WARNING EXTREMELY RAW FOOTAGE !!! 18+ Jordanian P…: http://youtu.be/0o_KvR9b3Dg
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:52 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Self-policing of Middle-Eastern countries? Now there's a fantasy.
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Old 02-03-2015, 08:45 PM
 
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Why are people still talking about ISIS?
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Old 02-03-2015, 09:13 PM
 
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When Russia, Japan, China, Israel and everyone decides to declare war on ISIS, only then would I want to see the USA join the fight. It will take a combined world effort to stop them.
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