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Old 02-09-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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First of all, there's a generation of young Muslim extremists in Iraq because we invaded their country for no reason. Pulling troops out didn't cause the problem, it saved American lives. When was the last time an occupying force changed an entire country and ended bloodshed? Spoiler: Never. Never ever ever.

Second, we still have troops in countries be previously buggered because the US Military is a jobs program. There is no logical, logistical reason to have as many bases and personnel in those countries as we do. The only threat Japan poses to America is damaging our ears with their terrible j-rap.
If our troops are no longer there, then why are they still there fighting and killing other Muslims?
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Old 02-09-2015, 12:58 PM
 
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wow, how nonfactual can you get.
first off,the Old Testament of the Bible had direct and specific commands from God on specific strategies for specific military moments in time regarding specific geographical areas. After each of those moments, those specific tactical commands no longer applied.
BUT the muslims' religious book has got open calls for conquest which to this day have apparently never ended.
Secondly,the entire 1400 year existence of islam has racked up something like 270,000,000 dead bodies all murdered in the name of islamic conquest or jihad.
Christianity certainly NEVER engaged in anything even remotely close to that, certainly not in the name of Christ. And besides, there were no Christians in the Old Testament. Those people were israelites. Just fyi.
You can try to twist the Bible to fit your needs all you want, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Old Testament was a temporary set of rules. Jesus even says in the New Testament that the Old Testament is still the word of God and must be obeyed. I know you want your God to be a kind, merciful one but the Bible is a horrible guide to morality and the God of Abraham is about as moral as an angry toddler.

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Allied Occupation of Germany, 1945-52


But I agree that this is "the exception that proves the rule."
Germany was broken and then broken even further by the occupation. All it proves is that kicking someone when they're down keeps them down.

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If our troops are no longer there, then why are they still there fighting and killing other Muslims?
Because they're religious fanatics. There are numerous factions within Islam and less fundamentalist Muslims that the extremists target. They don't care about other Muslims. They're just thugs who want to kill people and Allah is there excuse.
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Old 02-09-2015, 01:50 PM
 
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Yes. Send in the 2 individuals George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to clean up the mess they made in the Middle East. Crazy Arabs lashing-out at the whole world now is the "new normal" thanks to those two less-than-human people.
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:55 PM
 
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Because our Commander in Chief can't seem to grasp military leadership, we should support a country that can take care of business... Jordan for example, seems a logical choice to me.
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:01 PM
 
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Because they're religious fanatics. There are numerous factions within Islam and less fundamentalist Muslims that the extremists target. They don't care about other Muslims. They're just thugs who want to kill people and Allah is there excuse.
No, you stated it was because we invaded there. Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:07 PM
 
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Hold on, you think that American military bases in Germany and Italy prevented those countries from falling apart or trying to conquer the world again?
They are still there. Did any of those countries try to take over the world again? No, they didn't, so you answered your own question with the answer you didn't like. Do you talk to yourself all the time, too?
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:40 PM
 
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No, you stated it was because we invaded there. Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.
They're religious fanatics that are hellbent on destroying Western culture and killing people who don't think like they do, and many of them have been emboldened by the invasion of Iraq. It was an invasion based on lies and it destroyed their country and way of life. I'm not having it both ways. I'm recognizing reality for what it is.

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They are still there. Did any of those countries try to take over the world again? No, they didn't, so you answered your own question with the answer you didn't like. Do you talk to yourself all the time, too?
Well, the moon is still orbiting Earth and a space dragon has never attacked Earth. That must mean that the moon kills space dragons, right?
You like to make stupid statements all the time, don't you?
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Old 02-09-2015, 11:55 PM
 
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They're religious fanatics that are hellbent on destroying Western culture and killing people who don't think like they do, and many of them have been emboldened by the invasion of Iraq. It was an invasion based on lies and it destroyed their country and way of life. I'm not having it both ways. I'm recognizing reality for what it is.



Well, the moon is still orbiting Earth and a space dragon has never attacked Earth. That must mean that the moon kills space dragons, right?
You like to make stupid statements all the time, don't you?
You are right. You can't argue with stupid, so I am done trying with you. Ignore list!
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Old 02-10-2015, 08:52 AM
 
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It's not like the Bible is any less bloody and brutal than the Quran. More people have been killed in the name of Christ than Allah. These people are extremists because of how and where they've been raised. Most of them can't even read so Islam is just an excuse to act out violently and join in with groups that seem to have all the answers. Just like gangs, really. Converting nuts to Christianity would just result in Christian nuts.
Are you referring to Deaths during the Inquisition and Crusades Mordin? And those events took place how many centuries ago? IIRC the Muslims killed a huge number of people before the Crusades also. How about comparing the numbers of innocents being killed by Christians vs Muslims in the past fifty years.

A Martyr by Islamic standards: One who is killed while attempting to kill or during the killing of Infidels.
A Martyr defined by Christian standards: One who is killed or persecuted because of the practice of his faith.

Apples? Oranges?
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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Are you referring to Deaths during the Inquisition and Crusades Mordin? And those events took place how many centuries ago? IIRC the Muslims killed a huge number of people before the Crusades also. How about comparing the numbers of innocents being killed by Christians vs Muslims in the past fifty years.
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. The only reason to ignore the past crimes of Christianity is to ignore them. Christianity used to be the extremist religion that was used to justify monstrous crimes against humanity. Now it's Islam. The only thing that stops it is intellectual enlightenment. Most Muslims are illiterate, poor and malnourished. They'll believe anything that lets them blame someone for their plight. Just like Christians during the Dark Ages.
And the facts are the facts. The Bible is about as useful a guide to morality as a 50 Cent song. The Bible endorses slavery, using women as exchangeable, disposable commodities and killing people for anything from worshiping golden idols to refusing to marry your rapist.

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A Martyr by Islamic standards: One who is killed while attempting to kill or during the killing of Infidels.
A Martyr defined by Christian standards: One who is killed or persecuted because of the practice of his faith.

Apples? Oranges?
A Christian martyr used to be someone who died in the act of killing infidels. The Knights Templar and inquisitors were the greatest martyrs of the Christian faith in their time.
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