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Old 02-11-2015, 06:04 PM
 
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You said it right "Another stupid guy with gun". Yep so many bright ones these days.
Over 100 million gun owners today were bright enough not to shoot anyone today.
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Old 02-11-2015, 06:08 PM
 
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Yes, violent crime is down, but these spree shooting massacres like the Washington Navy Yard, UC Santa Barbara shooting, Newtown, etc... are up exponentially - from 1 every 5 years to several annually. Charles Whitman sniped people from the UT Tower, but there were no copycats of that. Columbine happens and there are dozens of copycats. Something's going on.

I listed the various factors which all need to be looked at. I don't have all the answers but acting as if the guns don't matter is ridiculous.



I think the number of households with guns is actually down, from around 50% to 40%, but there are more guns per capita which indicates the same people are just buying more guns.

Like I said before, guns are not the total problem nor are they the total solution, but they are obviously a factor and need to be part of the solution.
I would like to see a link that proves gun ownership per capita is down. Not some opinion piece, but real data. I doubt you can find anything since there is no mechanism to track this.
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Old 02-11-2015, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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I would like to see a link that proves gun ownership per capita is down. Not some opinion piece, but real data. I doubt you can find anything since there is no mechanism to track this.
We have people's self reporting from the gallup poll that shows a decline from 50% of households in 1960 have a gun vs. 40% in 2010. I guess some people could be lying but I don't know why you'd lie to a survey about whether you have a gun or not.

Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States - The Washington Post #7.



Also notice that moderate gun control measures - background checks and registration requirements - are overwhelmingly supported by 80%+ of Americans. There is an intransigent minority of 10-20% on those moderate measures that are way more vocal and apparently show up on here.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:02 PM
 
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We have people's self reporting from the gallup poll that shows a decline from 50% of households in 1960 have a gun vs. 40% in 2010. I guess some people could be lying but I don't know why you'd lie to a survey about whether you have a gun or not.

Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States - The Washington Post #7.



Also notice that moderate gun control measures - background checks and registration requirements - are overwhelmingly supported by 80%+ of Americans. There is an intransigent minority of 10-20% on those moderate measures that are way more vocal and apparently show up on here.
Second amendment supporters don't believe it's anyone's business if they own a gun or not. Most would not even participate in such a poll.
This data is dependent on who chooses to participate.
Of the people who answered, where do they live? Rural or urban makes a huge difference. How old, men or women? How many people, were there enough that the outcome really represents all of America?
Just too many unknowns for this poll to be taken as the truth.
The FBI keeps track of how many background checks are submitted by gun dealers. While not every bc means a gun sale, it also doesn't mean only one gun was sold for each bc. The FBI says these bc's are the best way to keep track of gun sales.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...month_year.pdf

So which has more credibility? Hard data compiled by the FBI? Or an ambiguous poll?
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Sarasota Venice Englewood
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Maybe if you included the race of the perp, you'd present a more complete picture of the overall problem.
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Sinkholeville
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50% of households in 1960 have a gun vs. 40% in 2010.
Illegal aliens cannot legally buy guns, and they have increased over the last 50 years; therefore, there are tens of millions more households now who cannot legally own guns.

These illegal alien households must make up a far larger percentage of total households now than they did when Eisenhower was in the White House.

If a pollster phoned me, I probably wouldn't answer.
But I did, I certainly wouldn't disclose gun ownership to a stranger.
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Old 02-12-2015, 06:44 AM
 
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We have people's self reporting from the gallup poll that shows a decline from 50% of households in 1960 have a gun vs. 40% in 2010. I guess some people could be lying but I don't know why you'd lie to a survey about whether you have a gun or not.

Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States - The Washington Post #7.



Also notice that moderate gun control measures - background checks and registration requirements - are overwhelmingly supported by 80%+ of Americans. There is an intransigent minority of 10-20% on those moderate measures that are way more vocal and apparently show up on here.
Are you serious? You don't know why people would lie when asked if they own guns? Have you looked around you recently?
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Old 02-12-2015, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The other thread got shut down, I wonder why?

Maybe, (it's only an assumption) because these forums are run by left wing liberal socialists that cannot grasp the fact they support the alcohol industry that kills 250 people each day, is a cause of child abuse and neglect, and many other horrors that drugs bring to our society (alcohol is a drug for those that want to pretend its not) but instead go after law abiding Americans and the 2nd Amendment?

But for those who are so bent to follow and support the socialist agenda to violate law abiding Americans exercising their 2nd Amendment right I ask this question.

If it's your belief that removing guns from society or reducing American rights to just owning a single shot target rifle will make a safer society then why are you not attaching the alcohol industry and calling your representatives to bring back the 18th Amendment?

and please put down that drink before you answer
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Old 02-12-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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Interesting how that other thread got closed down. Seemed like a good thread, everyone was being cordial for the most part. A couple of posters just refused to accept the facts that were presented, it was actually an enjoyable debate.
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Old 02-12-2015, 11:15 AM
 
Location: La Mesa Aka The Table
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Interesting how that other thread got closed down. Seemed like a good thread, everyone was being cordial for the most part. A couple of posters just refused to accept the facts that were presented, it was actually an enjoyable debate.
Who knows why the Mods close threads sometimes. I've seen threads were everything was on topic, and then the MOD went Bonkers and started editing everyone's post. That same mod then abruptly close the thread with no explanation.
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