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You do understand that guns are designed to kill, don't you? There is an obvious difference between a swimming pool and a gun. What about huge magazines of ammo? What is their purpose? To shoot as many as possible and do as much damage as you can get away with before you are shot dead yourself. There is no other reason to have ammo at the ready with a huge clip. NONE! What is your argument against that? I am sure it wouldn't be a logical one.
Ranting about gun clips and whether to load them or not, doesn't address the point made. It's a distraction fallacy.
Guns make it much easier not to mention the fact that they give the target little or no warning. You tend to notice someone coming at you with a knife or ax which gives you time to react or flee. Even a compound bow or crossbow is large enough not to be concealed whereas with a hand gun its easy to surprise the victims. Just pull it out real quick and pop pop pop before anyone knows whats happening. It also takes a lot less time to shoot someone then it does to stab or cleave someone so the killer can get more people in less time with a gun. Yes, if guns did not exist things like this would still happen but the number of victims would be much much less.
Understood, but if we look across the pond and see that they now want to ban knives doesn't that show once one thing is gone the violent/criminal/thugs will just move on to the next. So basically once again, the people that lose out are the law abiding.
You do understand that guns are designed to kill, don't you? There is an obvious difference between a swimming pool and a gun. What about huge magazines of ammo? What is their purpose? To shoot as many as possible and do as much damage as you can get away with before you are shot dead yourself. There is no other reason to have ammo at the ready with a huge clip. NONE! What is your argument against that? I am sure it wouldn't be a logical one.
Clips and magazines huh? Obviously you don't know anything about guns or what the difference is.
Well. The military is for defense against external threats. However playing devils advocate here, what you say only makes any kind of sense IF.....
.....you could convince members of the Army, Air Force, and Navy to turn on their own people. This would include their family, neighbors and friends. IMO, this will never happen because that would take absolute support for the political leadership, and that doesn't exist.
So your argument falls apart on that fact alone.
Yeah, because it's not like a modern military has ever turned against it's own people to serve a monstrous regime. Oh, wait...
Use your brain. The Nazi's didn't threaten the entire world with just members of the National Socialist Party.
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Of course what you state also completely ignores the history of the USA where the people in the 13 colonies decided to commit treason and raise arms against the most powerful military in the world at that time, i.e. the combined forces of the British Empire, to oust them in revolution and start a new country. I'm sure those revolutionaries would be quite disappointed if they knew that close to 240 years later, there were Americans who were quite happy to give up their rights for state control.
The American revolution was won with the aid of the French, the only military that rivaled the British, and in a time when the most advanced military armaments were canons and rifles that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Britain had to send its forces across the Atlantic while America's forces only had to fortify the coastline and wage guerrilla warfare while the French bombarded the British at sea.
Now the American military has technology that take out a single person or group of people from a mile away without ever being detected. You stand no chance against with a few guns.
Understood, but if we look across the pond and see that they now want to ban knives doesn't that show once one thing is gone the violent/criminal/thugs will just move on to the next. So basically once again, the people that lose out are the law abiding.
If we look across the pond we can also see that their murder rates make America look like Syria. When was the last time a knife attack claimed as many lives as the average shooting spree? No guns=no killing sprees.
Okay, so what do you propose? don't say "assault weapons ban" because we tried that already, didn't do anything except tick off law abiding people for years and infringe on their 2nd amendment right. The Columbine shooting happened right smack in the middle of it.
Bans are a joke. You can't magically do away with the hundreds of millions of high capacity magazines already in circulation, or the hundreds of millions of guns. It's not going to happen, period. Bans are only followed by law abiding people, and these people don't tend to go on shooting rampages. They might snap and murder their cheating spouse or something (like the story in the OP), but that is different then a mass shooting. Those are ridiculously rare, you have a better chance of dying in a plane crash then being involved in one of those. But sure, lets infringe on everyone's rights so that these spineless liberal sheep can feel a little safer. How about no.
And really? Licensed FFL gun dealers weren't running background checks at guns shows in CT? I find that highly doubtful because if they were they would've all been thrown in jail.
And lastly, there is no way you are putting a AR back together under the kind of pressure and disorientation that comes from waking up out of a deep sleep to someone breaking into your house. Good luck with that.
Oh, and lots of times people don't realize someone is home when they break in. Even still, there are plenty of criminals who will do it, and statistically speaking they are violent with their intentions. My parents live in upstate NY in a very rural area and there was a home invasion just down the street from them. A group of thugs came up from Hudson, broke in, one of them tried to kill the owner but his gun failed, they tied them up instead and then robbed the place.
I was in the army for years so I can do it pretty quickly. Timing myself I've done it in half a minute. My house is small and made of wood. You hear everything.
But I choose not to live in fear of the 1 in 5000 chance someone will invade my home and try to kill me. What do I have that anyone wants? The entire contents of my house are worth maybe $8500 and most of that is the furniture. It would be much more profitable to steal my car from the driveway and leave the house alone.
Home invasions have occurred about once every 3 years in my area since the 1990s and almost ALWAYS involved drugs. The last one I can find for my town occurred in 2004. The much more likely scenario is someone wanders onto my property drunk or high. I do not want to kill a person for making a mistake under the influence. I do not want the liability or the guilt of my nephews/nieces/children getting their hands on my weapon and firing it, another more likely scenario - they DO SEE IT AS A TOY and I've had to talk to parents that their kid does not understand. Not my own kids but other kids.
Truthfully, I've trained everyone in my house to kick the screens out and jump out the windows if there's an emergency. I would grab the phone, jump out and call 911 rather than get into a gun battle where the rounds will go straight through the walls. My walls are paper thin, have no insulation and with the way my house is laid out I'd just as likely hit someone else in it.
As for what we should do, I think Connecticut's response was appropriate. What I would also do is on the liability and sentencing end. Increase penalties for armed violent burglaries. We put away people for longer times for drug possession than robbery. Also increase liabilities for guardians of minors or mentally disabled who get hold of their weapons.
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If we look across the pond we can also see that their murder rates make America look like Syria. When was the last time a knife attack claimed as many lives as the average shooting spree? No guns=no killing sprees.
If we look across the pond we can also see that their murder rates make America look like Syria. When was the last time a knife attack claimed as many lives as the average shooting spree? No guns=no killing sprees.
Ranked #97 out of 218... I'll go with that. Eliminate the inner city violence and watch that number climb upwards. I bet if you eliminate the homocides from just two of our major cities and you would see that number shoot towards the top.
8 dead, 15 injured. How many people would have died if that mad man had had an assault rifle? The comparable case is Adam Lanza at Sandy Hook. Three times the deaths.
Ranked #97 out of 218... I'll go with that. Eliminate the inner city violence and watch that number climb upwards. I bet if you eliminate the homocides from just two of our major cities and you would see that number shoot towards the top.
Terrorism. The government now closely monitors sales bomb-making materials.
Last I looked, diesel fuel is just that fuel. And fertilizer just fertilzer. It took someone wanting to do harm to combine the two into a bomb. Just like a firearm is inanimate object until someone wants to do harm with it.
8 dead, 15 injured. How many people would have died if that mad man had had an assault rifle? The comparable case is Adam Lanza at Sandy Hook. Three times the deaths.
Again with the assault rifle ? You mean a semi auto rifle , big difference. One is fully auto the other not. What really would have been bad is if he had a couple of handguns with multiple 30 round mags.
Again, terrorism.
I don't even know what you're trying to say.
Really ? If you don't there is no reason to explain it too you.
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