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Old 02-10-2015, 10:59 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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You are obviously the kind of guy who drives a Prius ! If you were a car nut, you would understand. If someone tried to steal one of my cars I would do whatever I could to stop them.
I thought he had a point. Someone steals your truck, you get the insurance money, and go out and buy another fancy truck.

And btw, did the brothers ever file a police report? They'd have to, to get the insurance money.
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:00 AM
 
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OK, the article said the thieves were chased to the area of West Road and a freeway. So it sounds like they were near a freeway entrance, but apparently they didn't get on the freeway. That wasn't entirely clear from the article. Still, anyone could have got caught in the crossfire.
Like I've said many times, I would have disengaged once I saw them pointing a gun at me; however, they had the right to protect themselves as they pursued their stolen property.

If a fleeing suspect points a gun at police, should the cops not be allowed to protect themselves by firing at the thief?

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Well, it will be interesting to see how the court case turns out. And now the accomplice has a grudge against them, and he knows where they live. Let's hope he doesn't decide to follow up.
My guess is the accomplice will try to distance himself as far as possible. If he is ever identified, he could be charged with murder.
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:01 AM
 
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I thought he had a point. Someone steals your truck, you get the insurance money, and go out and buy another fancy truck.

And btw, did the brothers ever file a police report? They'd have to, to get the insurance money.
How do you know they had theft insurance?
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:03 AM
 
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Uh, you mean the men and women who are trained and paid to act in such a situation?

Yeah, I'm okay with that.

And to the post that Ruth4Truth quoted, they were not in a desolate area. There is a good number of retail (Wal-Mart, Ross, Whataburger, etc) and residential properties in the area.
So only police should be allowed to defend themselves?
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:08 AM
 
Location: West Phoenix
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It is most likely that they would eventually get their truck back eventually It is hard to hide a truck fromt the police. They might have another car or be able to get a ride for a while but no forgot that it is better that someone loses their life instead.
really ? My dad's truck was stolen 15 years ago, it has never been found. It was his retirement truck. 74 F-100, Perfect body and interior,custom graphics, running boards and rails, factory new engine and transmission, it was supposed to last him the rest of his life. 6 months after he retired it was stolen. Oh insurance "paid" for the truck, all the insurance paid for was a ratted out POS that we had to put a rebuilt engine into.

Stolen trucks and cars do not get returned, insurance does not cover your losses, and the insurance company does not lose money, you get to pay for claims with higher rates, along with everyone else. Think about how much rates might go down if there was no car or truck theft claims ?

Sorry, anybody caught stealing should be at risk of being shot, call it part of the hazards of being a thief. Don't want to risk being shot, don't steal, seems simple enough to me.
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:08 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Like I've said many times, I would have disengaged once I saw them pointing a gun at me; however, they had the right to protect themselves as they pursued their stolen property.

If a fleeing suspect points a gun at police, should the cops not be allowed to protect themselves by firing at the thief?
No, they didn't have the right to protect themselves. They should have dropped back immediately (which the other driver expected them to do, clearly, since he didn't shoot), and could have continued to follow from a distance, staying on the phone with 911.

It's law enforcement's job to get the bad guys, so they have to be armed. It was not the brothers' job to take the law into their own hands. That's the part you're missing, here. Strange that you equate the two situations, and can't see the difference.
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:08 AM
 
Location: La Mesa Aka The Table
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What if they couldn't afford insurance?
Lets see
you can't afford car insurance, but you can afford 2 Hand canons with bullets to shoot at would be Thief's


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With the laws in Texas, it could go either way.

If I were on the Grand Jury, I'd no-bill them. (Based on the limited information I've read at this point)
If i were on the Grand Jury i would send these two clowns to Jail for a little while. As gun owner myself, the last thing we need are, vigilante clowns making all us responsible gun owners look bad.
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:12 AM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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So only police should be allowed to defend themselves?


In certain situations when you are putting bystanders in danger, and when you are not TRAINED or MENTALLY EQUIPPED to handle a situation like police officers should be, then no, defer to the police. Your whatever that was stolen is not worth the life of some innocent bystander caught in the crossfire. End of discussion.

Some of you are so blinded by the 2nd amendment right, it really cuts off your ability to think logically and understand which situations are okay to reasonably defend yourself and when to defer to the proper authorities because the risk far outweighs the reward.

Sheesh.
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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So, your saying that because someone stole my truck, and I file a claim with my insurance company that causes MY rates to go up because someone stole my truck, that if I catch them in the act, I have no right to defend my property ?
It is simple, the truck is mine, if someone tries to steal it, they will be dealt with with the harshest means possible, if they don't wish this, then the answer is easy, DON"T STEAL.
Negative. I hate car thieves as much as the next law abiding citizen. Car theft is a regular hobby for many people in this huge city, unfortunately. As a matter of fact, I've lived in Houston forever and a day, and when I was a young kid, my mother had one of her vehicles stolen THREE TIMES. That's right, three times. Somehow, we got it back twice. It finally ended up passing away by drowning in a shallow lake in Wyoming.

About ten years ago, my gf had her cool '74 Caprice Classic stolen right out of the Target parking lot while we were shopping for useless crap. We came outside and thought we were insane because we couldn't find the gigantic boat car. We searched all over the huge parking lot, over and over, until it finally dawned on us that some scumbag had made off with it. Nevertheless, you can't fire on these clowns if they're running away with your car, UNLESS they're firing at you. Did the other thief really fire at the brothers? That is the million dollar question
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:58 AM
 
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After reading all the posts from the people defending the thief, I still don't feel bad for him simply because we have idiots in our society that think they can sue people that they rob.

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