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Old 02-10-2015, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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You can try to assign these false proclamations to me all you want but you're wrong, ignorant of the law, and just generally stupid. I'm a gun owner. I go to the range regularly. I love shooting guns. I'm not scared of guns, I'm scared of irresponsible people with guns, like these 2 brothers.
Sell your guns. You don't need them, and they could end up in a Criminals hands, since I have serious doubts you would ever use the gun when needed. By the time you justified it, and checked all the Laws, the criminal would have your gun and money, and be gone.
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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One less thug in the world. Awesome!
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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.Just because they are committing a crime and may be endangering people, doesn't mean the brothers have the right to do the same.
This is a fallacy argument. It has not been established they did this. Furthermore they have not been charged by the police for having done this.
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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Then they should've pulled over and stopped pursuing them, while staying on the phone with 911, "if their lives were in danger". They continued to put themselves in harm's way by continuing to pursue the thief "who pointed a gun at them". If anything would've happend to them, they would've brought it on themselves.
It was the thieves who put everyone in harms way by their actions.

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We will never agree on this. I feel that once a person threatens your life, you should be able to defend yourself with deadly force.

I've said many of times that I would have disengaged at that point, but I don't feel I have the right to say another person shouldn't defend their life and (not or, but and) property at that moment.

I understand your point of view, but this is something we will not agree upon.

Luckily, we aren't stuck in a jury room with each other going over it for days on end.
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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So, to understand this, you don't have a problem with them even pursuing the thieves, you're issue is when they fired.

You feel that when the thieves pointed a gun at the brothers, they should not be allowed to defend themselves by firing at the thieves.

We will never agree on this.
But we do agree on this. Twice you've posted that they shouldn't have fired, they should have disengaged as soon as the gun was pointed at them.
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Number 4.

There's a Shell gas station (just one example) along the path they were more than likely traveling. All it takes is for one person to be pumping gas to be hit by a stray bullet.


And again with my security guard example. Why is it that security guards (and employees) are told to NOT pursue a shoplifter, even if they witnessed it, if they get outside of the store? Why would this situation, involving two civilians, be any different?
What if the Robbers had shot and killed one of the victims in the robbery? What if they ran over a neighbors child running away? What if, What if...

A Security Guards instruction is part of his condition of employment. A Security Guard is not the one losing his property. A Store is more worried about "Liability" than Justice or the Law. Lousy example.
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:27 PM
 
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Well, the grand jury is going to have an interesting time with the underlined. Clearly, this law was the catalyst for what transpired in this case, for better or worse. I still think that in this case, deadly force wasn't necessary, because they were tracking the thief and reporting his route and location to 911. Slam dunk for the police. Criterion #3 is not met in this case.
Indeed.

If anything, now that the law is known here, the apologists for the criminals posting here are sure fired up with the false outrage. The hyperbole, hypotheticals, fallacies and just plain insults, are out in full force.
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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But we do agree on this. Twice you've posted that they shouldn't have fired, they should have disengaged as soon as the gun was pointed at them.
No, at least twice I said I, as in me personally, would have disengaged. I have followed that by saying that what I feel is right for me doesn't necessarily apply to them.
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: SC
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In Texas, it's legal to kill a thief stealing on your property.
So the shooters owned the highway?
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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Lol, I'm short-sighted because your entire premise is based on something that didn't even happen?
Like I said, if you can't understand the seriousness and potential ramifications of a situation like this, I can't help you.

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I deleted the pointless insults. You don't go to a grand jury for speeding. LOL

These are more hypothetical situations that you have cooked up. You do not know that any of this has happened.
It's a hypothetical situation that they were speeding while chasing after someone who stole their truck? Really?

It's a hypothetical situation that they were driving erratically while chasing after someone who stole their truck? Really?

It's a hypothetical situation that they were shooting in a public space while chasing after someone who stole their truck? Really?

Who the hell chases/purses someone going the speed limit and driving cautiously? You do realize the article said they drove up next to the truck, firing off rounds - by your (LOL) logic (LOL), that would suggest the assailant wasn't speeding or driving erratically, either.

The people of C-D never cease to amaze me.
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