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Old 02-11-2015, 02:17 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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You get sleepy when people point out that you're a liar?
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Old 02-11-2015, 02:44 PM
 
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You get sleepy when people point out that you're a liar?
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:18 PM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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The laws regarding this are not specific enough to say for a fact they broke the law.

My bet is that grand jury will no-bill them. Should we make a wager on it?
Joe Horn in Pasadena, Texas was no-billed because when he shot and killed the assailants, it was an 'immediate' action.

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On the 911 tape, he is heard confronting the suspects, saying, "Move, and you're dead", immediately followed by the sound of a shotgun blast, followed by two more.
The guys he shot were still on his front yard, I believe, on the property of where the crime was committed.

Difference here is the shooting of the assailant wasn't an immediate action as it took place in a different zip code, an area where others could have been gunned down by mistake.

You can ignore all you want the quote from the Sheriff's Department about not engaging and pursuing suspected criminals if it makes you feel better.
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:20 PM
Status: "Finally Done With C-D BYE BYE" (set 16 days ago)
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Again.



These brothers did the opposite of a statement from the Sheriff's Department. They broke laws while in pursuit of the assailant - those are opinions and that isn't blaming the victims. It's stating a fact.

I don't see anything in "the statement from the Sheriffs Department" you posted where they said that the brothers "broke laws while in pursuit of the assailant". I do see where they "encourage" and "want" which is NOT the same.
I "want" people to not argue. I "encourage" people not to do stupid things but that doesn't mean there's any legal ramifications.

They "want" you to leave it to 911/Sheriff which is great "if" you had any hope of something actually happening which in most cases it doesn't.

Was anyone other than the thief hurt? No? So going off on a tangent about what "could" have happened is useless and that argument could be used to stop someone from walking down the street or driving away from their home.
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:36 PM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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I don't see anything in "the statement from the Sheriffs Department" you posted where they said that the brothers "broke laws while in pursuit of the assailant". I do see where they "encourage" and "want" which is NOT the same.
I "want" people to not argue. I "encourage" people not to do stupid things but that doesn't mean there's any legal ramifications.

They "want" you to leave it to 911/Sheriff which is great "if" you had any hope of something actually happening which in most cases it doesn't.

Was anyone other than the thief hurt? No? So going off on a tangent about what "could" have happened is useless and that argument could be used to stop someone from walking down the street or driving away from their home.


There's a reason why this case is going before a grand jury. And your analogy isn't even in the same stratosphere of what the statement said, it's ridiculous.

Not if, but when someone innocent dies at the hands of someone trying to get a material possession back, and what will be the excuse to justify their behavior?
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:46 PM
 
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.They broke laws while in pursuit of the assailant - those are opinions and that isn't blaming the victims. It's stating a fact.
Nope. They have not been charged with any crime. That is the only fact we know about that.

They may be charged with a crime in the future by the Grand Jury once the facts are examined, but your proclamations are all nonsense at this point.

You are just spinning this constant mime that the victims, not the criminals, are the ones to be blamed for this tragedy.
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:58 PM
 
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It's not pointless if it serves a point.

I blame the people who took part in the dangerously reckless behavior: the thieves AND the brothers.

Then you called it a tragedy. Is it a tragedy that the thief was killed?

I know that the brothers weren't fired upon because they would have said as much.

The claim was made that people in this thread were excusing the thieves' actions. That was a lie.

So the article is wrong? Then how do you know the brothers aren't drug dealers who were only concerned about getting heroin back?

Death takes precedent over auto theft. You can't seem to grasp that these brothers acted in ways that are not just contrary to the goal of getting their truck back or defending themselves, but also in ways that endangered the lives of innocent people. Reckless endangerment doesn't have to result in harm or death for it to be illegal. Why can't you wrap your feeble brain around that?
  1. Jibberish - LOL
  2. Irrelevant - It's not about me.
  3. Fallacy
  4. Incorrect. Apologists wish to blame the victims while ignoring the role of the criminals
  5. Hypothetical nonsense
  6. Incorrect and more Hypothetical nonsense. Texas law clearly allows deadly force to be used to protect property.
And specifically on point 6. If criminals don't want to lose their lives, then don't do crime. Apologists ignore this simple fact and solution to the issue they try to raise.
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Old 02-11-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Durham
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If people would just mind their own business and leave other people's property and body alone, none of this would happen. I don't think you deserve to die for stealing someone's car, but if you do I don't really care that much.
Pretty close to my thinking too. The thief set the wheels in motion and got run over by them. No, I wouldn't have shot him but I can't feel much for him either.
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Old 02-11-2015, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If people would just mind their own business and leave other people's property and body alone, none of this would happen. I don't think you deserve to die for stealing someone's car, but if you do I don't really care that much.
This.

No one says any inanimate object is worth a human life, but I don't much care for the life of a human who would violate other people in order to get what they want.
Especially in a country where there are other options like getting your lazy, scummy ass a damn job.
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Old 02-11-2015, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Stealing something doesn't justify killing them. When you were a kid, did you ever go into a grocery store and steal a candy bar? Maybe on a dare or something. ?
No, I didn't.
What the heck is wrong with you?
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