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Old 02-11-2015, 04:51 PM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
Nope. They have not been charged with any crime. That is the only fact we know about that.

They may be charged with a crime in the future by the Grand Jury once the facts are examined, but your proclamations are all nonsense at this point.

You are just spinning this constant mime that the victims, not the criminals, are the ones to be blamed for this tragedy.
Wow.


The 'tragedy' here is the one dead person, but he brought that upon himself by deciding to steal a truck from the wrong people - his fault. The others involved will reap what they sow when they are arrested and charged with felonies. That part is not up for debate. No one is disagreeing on that. We aren't discussing that 'tragedy'.

We are talking about whether or not the actions of these two brothers broke multiple laws. We are talking about whether the brothers' actions were lawful. We are talking about the brothers engaging in an action that police officers do not want you to do. We are talking about firing a weapon from one vehicle towards another one (FACT) in a public space with many retail businesses in the area. We are talking about actions that did not take place immediately after the initial crime was committed. Those are the reasons why this case will go before a grand jury.

You've yet to find a post of mine in which I said the criminals were the victims and the brothers should be charged with Murder 1.

There's a reason for that.
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Old 02-11-2015, 04:54 PM
 
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We are talking about whether or not the actions of these two brothers broke multiple laws. We are talking about whether the brothers' actions were lawful. We are talking about the brothers engaging in an action that police officers do not want you to do. We are talking about firing a weapon from one vehicle towards another one (FACT) in a public space with many retail businesses in the area. We are talking about actions that did not take place immediately after the initial crime was committed. Those are the reasons why this case will go before a grand jury.
It's not We. Don't try to drag the rest of us into the bed of hypothetical delusion that you have made for yourself. It's clear that you are making every attempt to place blame on the victims.
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Old 02-11-2015, 04:59 PM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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Sorry son. It's not We. That is an association fallacy. It's pretty clear that you are talking to yourself.
I'm talking to myself?

There are almost 300 posts in this thread, what exactly are the posters in this thread discussing, then?


Par for the course with you - you can't actually address the post at hand, so you pull your usual routine:
  • Claim the post is some of fallacy
  • Claim the post is some sort of ad-hominem
  • Claim that the poster is insulting you


You would look less ridiculous if you just ignored the post.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:00 PM
 
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I'm talking to myself?.
Since you asked. Yes.

Now for the facts.

Those brothers stopped their property from being stolen using deadly force. Texas law allows for this. The grand jury will decide if they broke any laws. Until then, they have not been charged with any crime. Nothing more complicated than that no matter how many ways you try to spin it.

The victims are not responsible for this tragedy.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:05 PM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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Since you asked. Yes.

Now for the facts.

Those brothers stopped their property from being stolen using deadly force. Texas law allows for this. The grand jury will decide if they broke any laws. Until then, they have not been charged with any crime. Nothing more complicated than that no matter how many ways you try to spin it.

The victims are not responsible for this tragedy.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:25 PM
 
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^Bart would say to that.....

"Don't have a cow, man!"

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Old 02-11-2015, 09:16 PM
 
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Not at all, just have to be careful with what kind of precedent this could set. That's all.


And yeah, I posted that map. My brokerage team has an industrial listing up the road in that area, so I'm familiar with the surroundings. There's a Wal-Mart, couple gas stations, McDonald's and other retail places in that area. Could've been a pretty dangerous situation.
I'm on the fence here, I haven't made up my mind completely but it seems like the encounter occurred in a pretty desolate stretch right before that area.

I'd still need to know what kind of gun they were firing etc. but it wasn't like they chased the guy into the walmart parking lot.

Again, still not saying one way or the other but the location was neither urban nor countryside so it gets more important to review where it SPECIFICALLY went down and how many rounds and of which calibre were discharged.

P.S. Thankyou for posting the rough map and for a respectful discussion of the events.
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:54 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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It's not We. Don't try to drag the rest of us into the bed of hypothetical delusion that you have made for yourself. It's clear that you are making every attempt to place blame on the victims.
The thieves are NOT victims.
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Old 02-11-2015, 11:47 PM
 
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What's so very dangerous about guns is so many people who are very quick to justify deadly force against another human being. They seem to fantasize for the opportunity to use their gun against a bad guy. When armed and presented with a situation like this, it is not the time to be driven by your ego.
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Old 02-12-2015, 03:30 AM
 
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The thieves are NOT victims.
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I said that. The thieves certainly are not victims.

I suggest that you re-read what I've posted here.
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