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Old 02-09-2015, 05:33 AM
 
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man, sounds like we need a new nonlethal weapon to render an attacker helpless that is just like a gun except not deadly or even harmful. That will take out the attacker allowing you to bind and gag him or her until the cops get there.

A needless death just because the moron wanted to steal a truck. It wasn't worth his life.
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Old 02-09-2015, 06:45 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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well I have little sympathy for a theif nor his kind sorry but you did ask how we felt .
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Old 02-09-2015, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I heard some conflicting information about this. When we watched the news last night, the newscaster said one of the thieves pointed a gun at the brothers before he took off in the Suburban. If that's the case, then deadly force is acceptable, IMO. However, if the thieves were just stealing the truck, I don't think using deadly force was acceptable. I believe in the right to keep firearms to protect myself and my home. I own a few guns myself. But if the thieves were not threatening the lives of the brothers, killing the thieves seems excessive to me. Sure, the guys shouldn't have stolen the truck, but that's when you're supposed to call the cops.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:13 AM
 
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A needless death just because the moron wanted to steal a truck. It wasn't worth his life.
The moron is dead because of choices he made. Don't blame the victim or the weapon he used.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Mmm... uhh... no, I didn't miss that. That was quite clear.

What is not clear is what that has to do with anything I said. So I have no idea what point you think you're making.
If you don't see it, there certainly is no use in me trying to explain it.
so, just ignore my post.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:31 AM
 
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I heard some conflicting information about this. When we watched the news last night, the newscaster said one of the thieves pointed a gun at the brothers before he took off in the Suburban. If that's the case, then deadly force is acceptable, IMO. However, if the thieves were just stealing the truck, I don't think using deadly force was acceptable. I believe in the right to keep firearms to protect myself and my home. I own a few guns myself. But if the thieves were not threatening the lives of the brothers, killing the thieves seems excessive to me. Sure, the guys shouldn't have stolen the truck, but that's when you're supposed to call the cops.
This..

If the thieves did indeed endanger is life then by all means, shoot away. However simply stealing is not worth killing over..

Where does it end? Someone steals your daughters bike from your front yard, do you shoot them to?

I'm all for using deadly force when life is at risk, but unless that's the case, then no.
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:01 AM
 
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Well...item number one is "Texas". That gives you a discount on smarts right there.

It feels good...the bad guy got what was coming to him.

But, the senseless nature of driving down a highway blasting away at a moving target? I give you item number one: Texas.

Maybe a more sane solution would have been to follow the vehicle while alerting the police via cell phone to intercept the perpetrator.

At the end of the day "The Brothers" are going to be indicted for murder/manslaughter. Kind of destroys the 'feel good' factor, doesn't it?
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:20 AM
 
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There are police who are paid to do this on our behalf. We have a district attorney who prosecutes cases on our behalf.
The problem is that in many jurisdictions, the police don't spend much time on property crimes. The attitude is "file a report". So there isn't any realistic in-system resource for rectifying situations like this. Vigilantism a sign that the criminal justice system isn't functioning properly and that people don't trust it.
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:40 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Hmmm. I can't say that I feel any sympathy for the perps in the sense that they knew that their activities are high risk, where one can end up hurt, in jail, or dead. Having said that, would I have chased them down and shot them? No probably not, since I'd run the risk of endangering others in doing so. The only way I could see doing that is if they kidnapped my wife or kid. On the other hand, break into my home, and there is a good chance I'm going to do what I have to do to eliminate the threat.
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:46 AM
 
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I live in Texas, my late father was a member of the NRA. I own a couple of guns myself and would use them only if I have to. In this particular case, I think those brothers had the right to protect their property, but leave the chasing and shooting off land property to the police. They are not trained to go guns blazing down the street and could put others in danger. For those of you that are supporting this kind of action, how would you feel if your child was shot accidently because some guy was randomly firing at someone stealing his property?

I don't think these brothers are George Zimmerman types with an urge to use a gun. They were just protecting their property and got a little overzealous doing so.

For those of you that are stereotyping Texas, get over yourself. We are not all alpha males with small wieners, big guns and diesel trucks.
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