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Old 02-13-2015, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
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You think you have some special right to tell people what they can think.
You can think whatever you want, no matter how repugnant. Just don't insist that everyone conform to your way of thinking.

I'm sure there are some men who still believe that 19th amendment was a mistake. Probably not many. But certainly a few. They can think whatever they want. Just as long as they don't hinder any women on the way to the polls.

I'm also sure there are LOTS of people who think the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a major, major mistake. Less than in 1964, of course. But still an appalling number of people. They can think whatever it is that runs through their pea-brained troglodyte minds. Not my problem. Just don't try to hinder anyone on their way to school.

And it's the same with homosexual marriage. Denying homosexuals equal recourse to the law was always wrong. It was wrong 100 years ago. It was wrong during the Stonewall Riots. It was wrong for "Don't Ask Don't Tell." And it's wrong today. At least most people have realized how wrong it is. Most. Not all. But most.

Exclusively heterosexual people are a minority. So "majority rules" isn't applicable. Most complex life forms on Earth display homosexual traits. So "natural order" isn't applicable. And there aren't enough people who believe in one misogynistic, superstitious, scientifically-bankrupt book to form a quorum. So "religious edict" isn't applicable, either.

There is no logical reason to discriminate. There is no moral reason to discriminate. There isn't even a particularly good superstitious reason to discriminate. There is no reason to discriminate. Think whatever you'd like. I'm glad I don't live in your head. But that has no effect upon me. Deny my friends and neighbors the same rights that I enjoy, and that DOES have an effect on me.

Point blank -- I would rather be a heterosexual minority in a country run by homosexuals than live in a country ruled by homophobes. I lump homophobes in with holocaust deniers, moon landing hoaxers, and supply-side economists.
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Old 02-13-2015, 02:14 AM
B87
 
Location: Norwich, UK
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Oh brother, you cannot really be that obtuse.
For starters, hetro's engage in normal sexual behavior where as homo's do not(despite PC redefining shenanigans to the contrary)
You mean like how left-handed people do not engage in normal use of hands? Homosexuals make up a similar percentage of the population as left-handers (around 10%). Humans are not the only animal species where homosexuality is observed; it is seen in around 1500 different species.
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Old 02-13-2015, 02:24 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
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You mean like how left-handed people do not engage in normal use of hands? Homosexuals make up a similar percentage of the population as left-handers (around 10%). Humans are not the only animal species where homosexuality is observed; it is seen in around 1500 different species.
That's incorrect.

Exclusive heterosexuals represent a little less than 40% of the population. The majority of people have some homosexual tendencies. Maybe a little. Maybe a lot. Who cares? It's just sex.

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Old 02-13-2015, 06:01 AM
 
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You mean like how left-handed people do not engage in normal use of hands? Homosexuals make up a similar percentage of the population as left-handers (around 10%). Humans are not the only animal species where homosexuality is observed; it is seen in around 1500 different species.
Ahhh the animal homosexuality myth again. Several problems with that. Human beings are not animals, not even close. Human sexuality is more than mere physical sensations. We have levels of intimacy and relationship bonding. Homosexuality in animals is more about establishing a social role or dominance, marking one's territory, nothing to do with true same sex attraction.

Looking at the animal kingdom as a measuring stick for normality fails completely when you take in account other irrational immoral animal acts like killing or eating their young.
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Old 02-13-2015, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Gawd I am so tired of all this gay, lesibian, race, religion, transgender, and pot rights! etc!!

Some people are so self absorbed.

Quit taking up time with legislation and laws for more important issues.

And quit wasting tax payers money.

All for the sake of yourself or your group.
Im tired of it as well, its a shame in this day and age they have to have these laws in place to prevent job loss, or harassment. When will gays be allowed to just live their lives like anyone else does?
If you're not aware why these laws are in place its because gay people could get fired for being gay. They just want to be left alone. Sometimes it takes a law to protect that right.
I'm thankful for women's rights protected by law, we needed it as we were prevented from living a normal productive life in this country at one point and time. I like the fact that I can vote now.
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Old 02-13-2015, 06:51 AM
B87
 
Location: Norwich, UK
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Ahhh the animal homosexuality myth again. Several problems with that. Human beings are not animals, not even close. Human sexuality is more than mere physical sensations. We have levels of intimacy and relationship bonding. Homosexuality in animals is more about establishing a social role or dominance, marking one's territory, nothing to do with true same sex attraction.

Looking at the animal kingdom as a measuring stick for normality fails completely when you take in account other irrational immoral animal acts like killing or eating their young.
Since when were humans not part of the animal kingdom? Last time I checked, humans were primates, which belong to the mammals, most definitely animals.

Humans also kill their young, or eat one another (or commit immoral acts because an imaginary man in the sky - a rehash of an ancient Sumerian myth - ordered them to).
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:24 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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You can think whatever you want, no matter how repugnant. Just don't insist that everyone conform to your way of thinking.

I'm sure there are some men who still believe that 19th amendment was a mistake. Probably not many. But certainly a few. They can think whatever they want. Just as long as they don't hinder any women on the way to the polls.

I'm also sure there are LOTS of people who think the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a major, major mistake. Less than in 1964, of course. But still an appalling number of people. They can think whatever it is that runs through their pea-brained troglodyte minds. Not my problem. Just don't try to hinder anyone on their way to school.

And it's the same with homosexual marriage. Denying homosexuals equal recourse to the law was always wrong. It was wrong 100 years ago. It was wrong during the Stonewall Riots. It was wrong for "Don't Ask Don't Tell." And it's wrong today. At least most people have realized how wrong it is. Most. Not all. But most.

Exclusively heterosexual people are a minority. So "majority rules" isn't applicable. Most complex life forms on Earth display homosexual traits. So "natural order" isn't applicable. And there aren't enough people who believe in one misogynistic, superstitious, scientifically-bankrupt book to form a quorum. So "religious edict" isn't applicable, either.

There is no logical reason to discriminate. There is no moral reason to discriminate. There isn't even a particularly good superstitious reason to discriminate. There is no reason to discriminate. Think whatever you'd like. I'm glad I don't live in your head. But that has no effect upon me. Deny my friends and neighbors the same rights that I enjoy, and that DOES have an effect on me.

Point blank -- I would rather be a heterosexual minority in a country run by homosexuals than live in a country ruled by homophobes. I lump homophobes in with holocaust deniers, moon landing hoaxers, and supply-side economists.

Ummm, I'm going to stop you right there. I have no issue with gay people, or with gays getting married, because quite frankly it isn't my business what 2 consenting adults do. However; don't try to sell us on being straight is being in the minority.
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Ummm, I'm going to stop you right there. I have no issue with gay people, or with gays getting married, because quite frankly it isn't my business what 2 consenting adults do. However; don't try to sell us on being straight is being in the minority.
He's talking about the Kinsey scale which says that only 10% of all people are strictly heterosexual and about 10% are strictly homosexual and most fall on a scale in between.

Some people think that the kinsey scale is flawed, but I agree with where the test put me on the scale. Can't say how it works for others.
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:25 AM
 
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Who tells their boss what their sexual orientation is? Are employers asking employees what their sexual orientation is? How can you protect or discriminate against someone unless they are being obnoxiously promiscuous about their sexual orientation, in which case maybe they should be fired (homo- or heterosexual).
Twenty years ago and longer, hiding was the name of the game. If you came out in the military, you could and would be released/fired (Clinton's idiotic idea). It is illegal for an employer to ask about one's partner/spouse. It doesn't take a whole lot for an employer to learn about an employee and no flaunting anything isn't necessary for this to happen.

We'll see what happens with this case. If it's left as is, we may see a slow return to the dark ages. But with the majority of the country pro-leaving us alone and giving us equal protection under the law. Dubious this case is over.
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Oregon
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He's talking about the Kinsey scale which says that only 10% of all people are strictly heterosexual and about 10% are strictly homosexual and most fall on a scale in between.

Some people think that the kinsey scale is flawed, but I agree with where the test put me on the scale. Can't say how it works for others.
Kinsey has come under fire and is being re-evaluated by many. why? because he and his cohorts used babies, children, and other vulnerable people to engage in sex experiments. He seems to have had an agenda. I would NOT rely too heavily on Kinsey.

There's a full length video called The Children of Table 34. (documentary on Kinsey research and full scale sex abuse of hundreds of children)
here's some info on it...
The Children of Table 34 - Alfred Kinsey's pedophile-based research - Canadian Liberty

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