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Old 02-13-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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Which is a completely unfounded fear since churches are protected from teaching or doing anything that they choose not to by the 1st amendment.
There is no way to enforce any law that would require churches to teach or do something against their beliefs.
"Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."

LOL - you quoting the first Amendment in one post while claiming private business owners should not be afforded protection for their faith.

*insert spit take smilie here*
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Turlock, CA
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LOL - you quoting the first Amendment in one post while claiming private business owners should not be afforded protection for their faith.

*insert spit take smilie here*
I guess I still don't see how it really affects a private business owner. Look at it from a practical situation. If you have a stellar employee, or even an adequate one, who is gay, why would you want to fire that person? Even if you believe that they're doing something sinful, why is that different than the employee that drinks to excess every weekend, or is highly promiscuous?
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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Having certain religious beliefs does not excuse a business owner from violating the law......
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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LOL - you quoting the first Amendment in one post while claiming private business owners should not be afforded protection for their faith.

*insert spit take smilie here*
Are BUSINESSES CHURCHES?

No.

Thanks for playing.
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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And many heterosexual couples do not, or can not, have children. While many homosexual couples DO have and raise children. Do our families not benefit from the stability provided by marriage?

Not one law regarding marriage even mentions the expectation of the couple having children. Not one of the benefits of marriage require children.

The whole "procreation" thing has been shot down by every single court that has hear a SSM case.
I was explaining the historical purpose of marriage. What are the benefits of marriage to society (not governmental tax breaks) if procreation weren't an expectation. Extinction?

Yes gay couples do engage surrogates or adopt or use medical science to conceive, but none of that has to do with the fundamental purpose of marriage...and it isn't about love and sexual orientation.
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:28 PM
 
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Are BUSINESSES CHURCHES?

No.

Thanks for playing.

Does the first Amendment restrict the right to freely express your religion to CHURCH?

No.

Thanks for playing - and it is obvious that when it comes to your understanding of the Constitution, you can do nothing more than play.
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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I was explaining the historical purpose of marriage. What are the benefits of marriage to society (not governmental tax breaks) if procreation weren't an expectation. Extinction?

Yes gay couples do engage surrogates or adopt or use medical science to conceive, but none of that has to do with the fundamental purpose of marriage...and it isn't about love and sexual orientation.
You might want to inform the judges who have ruled AGAINST that idea, even asking if marriage was all about procreation why can the elderly and infertile get married. They obviously have no idea what marriage is all about.
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Turlock, CA
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I was explaining the historical purpose of marriage. What are the benefits of marriage to society (not governmental tax breaks) if procreation weren't an expectation. Extinction?

Yes gay couples do engage surrogates or adopt or use medical science to conceive, but none of that has to do with the fundamental purpose of marriage...and it isn't about love and sexual orientation.
I'd say the benefit to society is mainly that of stability, and increased chance of affluence in life.
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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Having certain religious beliefs does not excuse a business owner from violating the law......
Freely exercising ones religious faith is a constitutionally guaranteed by the First Amendment which:
prohibits [unequivocally]... the making of any law.... impeding the free exercise of religion.

What part of that indicates that a private business owner's religious freedom is subservient to a state law?
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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Yes gay couples do engage surrogates or adopt or use medical science to conceive, but none of that has to do with the fundamental purpose of marriage...and it isn't about love and sexual orientation.
Hahahaha, yes. I'm sure you & every other person in the land who got married did NOT do it for love. They did it strictly as a business transaction. Lol, too funny.
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