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Ahhh the animal homosexuality myth again. Several problems with that. Human beings are not animals, not even close. Human sexuality is more than mere physical sensations. We have levels of intimacy and relationship bonding. Homosexuality in animals is more about establishing a social role or dominance, marking one's territory, nothing to do with true same sex attraction.
Looking at the animal kingdom as a measuring stick for normality fails completely when you take in account other irrational immoral animal acts like killing or eating their young.
I guess you missed the research and results of Darwin showing we have evolved from animals.
Kinsey has come under fire and is being re-evaluated by many. why? because he and his cohorts used babies, children, and other vulnerable people to engage in sex experiments. He seems to have had an agenda. I would NOT rely too heavily on Kinsey.
And I made no comment on his methods, just clarifying on something that someone else posted. I also said that some don't agree with Kinsey, but my rating on the test seems spot on for me personally.
Washington state has had a domestic partnership law in place since 2007. The initial law granted couples about two dozen rights, including hospital visitation and inheritance rights when there is no will. It was expanded a year later, and then again in 2009, when lawmakers completed the package with the so-called "everything but marriage" law that was ultimately upheld by voters later that year.
Gregoire introduces the gay marriage law and the legislature passed it unilaterally, after such a measure failed 3 times when placed on the ballot.
Referendum 74
Referendum 74 (R-74 or Ref 74) was a Washington state referendum to approve or reject the February 2012 bill that would legalize same-sex marriage in the state.[SIZE=2] [/SIZE]On June 12, 2012, state officials announced that enough signatures in favor of the referendum had been submitted and scheduled the referendum to appear on the ballot in the November 6 general election. The law was upheld by voters in the November 6, 2012 election by a final margin of 7.4% (53.7% approve, 46.3% reject) and the result was certified on December 5.
I was saying that the legislature unilaterally passed legislation for gay marriage, after which a referendum was placed on the ballot to repeal the law.
You can think whatever you want, no matter how repugnant. Just don't insist that everyone conform to your way of thinking.
I'm sure there are some men who still believe that 19th amendment was a mistake. Probably not many. But certainly a few. They can think whatever they want. Just as long as they don't hinder any women on the way to the polls.
I'm also sure there are LOTS of people who think the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a major, major mistake. Less than in 1964, of course. But still an appalling number of people. They can think whatever it is that runs through their pea-brained troglodyte minds. Not my problem. Just don't try to hinder anyone on their way to school.
And it's the same with homosexual marriage. Denying homosexuals equal recourse to the law was always wrong. It was wrong 100 years ago. It was wrong during the Stonewall Riots. It was wrong for "Don't Ask Don't Tell." And it's wrong today. At least most people have realized how wrong it is. Most. Not all. But most.
Exclusively heterosexual people are a minority. So "majority rules" isn't applicable. Most complex life forms on Earth display homosexual traits. So "natural order" isn't applicable. And there aren't enough people who believe in one misogynistic, superstitious, scientifically-bankrupt book to form a quorum. So "religious edict" isn't applicable, either.
There is no logical reason to discriminate. There is no moral reason to discriminate. There isn't even a particularly good superstitious reason to discriminate. There is no reason to discriminate. Think whatever you'd like. I'm glad I don't live in your head. But that has no effect upon me. Deny my friends and neighbors the same rights that I enjoy, and that DOES have an effect on me.
Point blank -- I would rather be a heterosexual minority in a country run by homosexuals than live in a country ruled by homophobes. I lump homophobes in with holocaust deniers, moon landing hoaxers, and supply-side economists.
Hey Scoop, I have at no point during this discussion suggested ANYONE think the way I do. I have only expressed my personal opinion. You are the one arguing that I am forcing my view on you, all while you call me repugnant, a holocaust denier (as a Jew that made me LOL) and I am sure you have used some really lovely discriptors that you wouldn't type here.
It only proves that all this anger and bitterness is not about me. I don't hate or fear you or your sexual preferences. But your hatred and anger towards me is palpable. I really feel like you project your hatred and fear of people with values and morals based on the Torah, or Bible or some other religious basis. You may be glad you don't live in my head, but I am even happier not to live in your heart.
Who cares how Christians or history define marriage? America is all about cutting your own path, shaking up the system.
I see, so you think our Framers/Founding Fathers would approve of how we are perverting not only the Constitution, but that we should "cut our own path" away from what they believed was best for the country?
Your half baked ideas about what our history means, and the goal of our nation needs more time in the oven.
Washington state has had a domestic partnership law in place since 2007. The initial law granted couples about two dozen rights, including hospital visitation and inheritance rights when there is no will. It was expanded a year later, and then again in 2009, when lawmakers completed the package with the so-called "everything but marriage" law that was ultimately upheld by voters later that year.
Gregorio introduces the gay marriage law and the legislature passed it unilaterally, after such a measure failed 3 times when placed on the ballot.
Referendum 74
Referendum 74 (R-74 or Ref 74) was a Washington state referendum to approve or reject the February 2012 bill that would legalize same-sex marriage in the state.[SIZE=2] [/SIZE]On June 12, 2012, state officials announced that enough signatures in favor of the referendum had been submitted and scheduled the referendum to appear on the ballot in the November 6 general election. The law was upheld by voters in the November 6, 2012 election by a final margin of 7.4% (53.7% approve, 46.3% reject) and the result was certified on December 5.
I was saying that the legislature unilaterally passed legislation for gay marriage, after which a referendum was placed on the ballot to repeal the law.
You were saying?
And the voters approved it, so the governor forced nothing. If the legislators that were voted in approved it, and the voters approved it, nothing was forced. Part of the job of legislators to to introduce new bills and pass laws. They were doing their job. And then the voters had the ability to vote on the law and approved of the law that the legislators passed. So the final decision was not "unilaterally" passed since it was voted on and passed with a 53.7% approval.
Now, even if it had not passed the voters, banning SSM would have to pass constitutional muster, which we have seen it does not according to over 25 individual judges rulings.
So yes, the voters DID approve SSM in Washington state.
And the voters approved it, so the governor forced nothing. If the legislators that were voted in approved it, and the voters approved it, nothing was forced. Part of the job of legislators to to introduce new bills and pass laws. They were doing their job. And then the voters had the ability to vote on the law and approved of the law that the legislators passed. So the final decision was not "unilaterally" passed since it was voted on and passed with a 53.7% approval.
Now, even if it had not passed the voters, banning SSM would have to pass constitutional muster, which we have seen it does not according to over 25 individual judges rulings.
So yes, the voters DID approve SSM in Washington state.
The voters voted not to repeal a law that was already in place. When SS marriage had been on the ballot three previous times it failed. At the time the Governor introduced the legislation, WA State already had an Everything but Marriage law that was voted on and approved my the voters.
The voters voted not to repeal a law that was already in place. When SS marriage had been on the ballot three previous times it failed. At the time the Governor introduced the legislation, WA State already had an Everything but Marriage law that was voted on and approved my the voters.
Historically speaking, equal rights were not passed by the people but by the courts. Oftentimes, the people hold on to prejudices.
The voters voted not to repeal a law that was already in place. When SS marriage had been on the ballot three previous times it failed. At the time the Governor introduced the legislation, WA State already had an Everything but Marriage law that was voted on and approved my the voters.
Everything but marriage is not equal to marriage. PERIOD.
It doesn't matter how many times something fails, it did in fact pass this time. So there was a law, that they voters voted to approve. No unilateral decision.
I'm sorry you have the sads because you have to have the same word on your legal document that I will have on mine, but it really isn't my problem that the fact I will have equal rights makes you sad.
Most of us learn to share in kindergarten.
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