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Old 02-15-2015, 04:41 PM
 
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What I have seen on visits to America, to places like NYC, is the police seem much more intimidating figures of authority. They seem ready to take on all comers. Anyone who has visited Britain, and some comment on this, is how approachable, and friendly our police are. I have seen British police dealing with awkward situations, and people. They remain calm, and do their job efficiently.

Many Americans seem disturbed by the attitude, and quick to use deadly force of your police. Some on threads like this seem to blame folks for getting shot. In some cases, no doubt, this is correct. But many situations where people end up shot dead, seem unnecessary, and could have been brought to an end without deadly force.
Your Police enforce the law on a disarmed, and neutered people. They have no substantive reason to fear the populace, because you have all been disarmed and are helpless before the government. Americans are a free people, we retain our God-given rights and do not submit easily to government authority. There's a reason why we separated from England, and wrote the Declaration of Independence. It was true them, and it's still true today. We've made choices, as a country, and so have the British/English (I really don't know when to use which word). And based on what I've read online, the British seem quite content to be who they are. And while it's true that there are many Americans that might support the idea of disarming themselves before their government, there are many other armed Americans that would rather get rid of both the government and the people that advocate disarmament, than to lose their freedom and become helpless serfs enslaved to the will of the retarded majority.
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Old 02-15-2015, 06:12 PM
 
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Your Police enforce the law on a disarmed, and neutered people. They have no substantive reason to fear the populace, because you have all been disarmed and are helpless before the government. Americans are a free people, we retain our God-given rights and do not submit easily to government authority. There's a reason why we separated from England, and wrote the Declaration of Independence. It was true them, and it's still true today. We've made choices, as a country, and so have the British/English (I really don't know when to use which word). And based on what I've read online, the British seem quite content to be who they are. And while it's true that there are many Americans that might support the idea of disarming themselves before their government, there are many other armed Americans that would rather get rid of both the government and the people that advocate disarmament, than to lose their freedom and become helpless serfs enslaved to the will of the retarded majority.

I wish I could rep you 1000 times

And to my British friend.. armed police are becoming more and more common place in your country as terrorists figure out how to behead the population.. as they did to the poor soldier,,,

There isnt anywhere safe in the word any more... money can insulate you.. but crime and terrorism is coming soon to your neighborhood.. if it hasn't touched you already
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Old 02-15-2015, 07:03 PM
 
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Two, cops are too trigger-happy nowadays, they are paranoid and act like everybody is a potential dangerous criminal. The Opie days are over. But instead of aiming to kill why don't they aim for the leg or something? The goal is to stop a suspect, not kill them, or at least that used to be the rule.
Because then they become a liability that the police department has to pay for.

As overfunded as they are with all their shiny new toys you'd think the police department would be able to cover that but nope let's kill people.

There's other arguments of 'if you don't immediately kill someone they can still be a threat' but that is not a valid defence in cases such as this one that are popping up almost every day.

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This is exactly what I was thinking as I have read through this thread, and other similar ones. I have seen videos filmed by bystanders of people shot dead by American police without good reason. Sometimes, it appears the police just want to bring the situation to an end quickly.

The police in my country have a difficult job, like police everywhere. I have no doubt they come across rock throwers, big guys resisting arrest, unstable folks raving, and all the rest. The difference is, they don't shoot these people. They find a way to disable, and arrest them. Most police here don't have guns. Some have tasers, others disabling sprays.

I do accept American police come across armed criminals, and are edgy, and no doubt frightened they may be shot. But, some situations I have seen on you-tube, seem to show some folks killed without good reason. They aren't difficult to find, and some are very disturbing. I have no doubt if British police were all armed with guns, we would see many people die at the hands of the police. It is a very good way of ending a situation quickly.

What I have seen on visits to America, to places like NYC, is the police seem much more intimidating figures of authority. They seem ready to take on all comers. Anyone who has visited Britain, and some comment on this, is how approachable, and friendly our police are. I have seen British police dealing with awkward situations, and people. They remain calm, and do their job efficiently.

Many Americans seem disturbed by the attitude, and quick to use deadly force of your police. Some on threads like this seem to blame folks for getting shot. In some cases, no doubt, this is correct. But many situations where people end up shot dead, seem unnecessary, and could have been brought to an end without deadly force.
This is a good post and exactly what I mean by America's "police culture" being an issue. UK cops don't even have guns unless they are a highly specialised unit with a special license. Police officers here will happily flaunt guns wherever they go, threaten you, and talk down to you anywhere they go. There's a certain authoritarian 'we can and will kill you' vibe to them, not a 'I'm here to protect you vibe' to them. There's a certain entitlement of 'we are above the law' in our police culture. We need to stop putting up with it. I'm not even saying that it's all cops. There are cops who act with respect for everyone's life even when they are being shot at. It juts goes to show how ****ing awful these other cops who will shoot anything that moves are. Last year that ten year old kid (RIP) got shot for holding a bb gun. Now, I can understand some reasonable fear from the police since you can't tell it's fake just by looking at it from a distance. But the footage showed that they just drove up on him (almost running him over) and shot him from their cars while his back was turned without even saying anything. **** anyone saying that's okay.

Another thing I find disturbing about this thread is that everyone is saying 'border patrol shoot people for throwing rocks' all the time. That does not make it okay. In fact there was that big incident a few years ago where it was filmed and quite clearly inappropriate response. The IDF shooting Palestinian teenagers throwing rocks just to start up some trouble is an inappropriate response too. You people need to stop being okay with absurd overreactions to relatively mild offences. People are dying over it. You underestimate the severity of it because it is not your lives. It's not your sons and daughters so you don't give a ****. Our culture allows to dehumanise other people and you do nothing to challenge it. Start having respect for people's lives.

Edit: and yes, British armed police are getting more common and it's not completely unheard of for police brutality (hence 2011 riots), sadly.
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Old 02-16-2015, 12:26 AM
 
Location: England
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Your Police enforce the law on a disarmed, and neutered people. They have no substantive reason to fear the populace, because you have all been disarmed and are helpless before the government. Americans are a free people, we retain our God-given rights and do not submit easily to government authority. There's a reason why we separated from England, and wrote the Declaration of Independence. It was true them, and it's still true today. We've made choices, as a country, and so have the British/English (I really don't know when to use which word). And based on what I've read online, the British seem quite content to be who they are. And while it's true that there are many Americans that might support the idea of disarming themselves before their government, there are many other armed Americans that would rather get rid of both the government and the people that advocate disarmament, than to lose their freedom and become helpless serfs enslaved to the will of the retarded majority.
So you're saying, your right to bear arms is the reason your police shoot you for throwing rocks? Americans are a free people? Tell that to the over 2 million in your jails.

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Old 02-27-2015, 05:46 PM
 
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WOW

No one here has a remote clue about this man. If he was mentally ill, or under any sort of duress, or wigging out on drugs.

But the hatred here portrayed by you guys is very disturbing.

I hope you are never on any jury of any kind!
I hope i am on a jury. What i wrote is 100% accurate.
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Old 02-27-2015, 05:48 PM
 
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So you're saying, your right to bear arms is the reason your police shoot you for throwing rocks? Americans are a free people? Tell that to the over 2 million in your jails.
They deserve to be there.
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Old 03-03-2015, 08:49 PM
 
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The causes of the "IBC cop" problem (IBC = idiot, bully, coward) aren't necessarily what they seem. A cop doesn't become IBC by being a cop. He was always IBC. Being IBC motivated him to apply for a cop job. The real problem is that he should have been screened out in the hiring process. That problem is caused by incompetent hiring managers. Those managers are hired by incompetent higher level managers. The incompetence goes all the way to the top. The highest level bosses who hire bureaucrats are politicians. And their bosses are the voters. So the real cause of the IBC cop problem is stupid voters. And stupid voters are the real reason why democracy doesn't work very well in a country that has so many millions of stupid people. For that reason I think we would be better off amending the constitution to require voters to prove they aren't stupid before being allowed to vote.
It's not so much "stupid voters," it's more like "misinformed and under-informed voters." The more knowledge people have, the more power they have when they vote. The system has effectively eroded the power of the people. The REAL Power begins at the bottom, locally.
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Old 03-04-2015, 07:18 AM
 
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The other day in the news, in Los Angeles, police tasered and shot a guy.

Protestors could be seen shortly after.

Guess this starts another season of looting, rioting and protesting. The person who was shot happened to be black, and he also before he got shot, resisted the police.

This is the same pattern we've seen over several previous shootings.

What can people do to stop this trend?
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:20 AM
 
Location: USA
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They deserve to be there.
We have the highest incarceration rate and numbers in the WORLD.


Do your research 1st. Then debate.
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:21 AM
 
Location: USA
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People throwing rocks ARE potential dangerous criminals.

I take it you have never fired a gun.

The goal of police is to stop a suspect, yes. When they shoot, it is to stop. Sometimes lethally.

Go fire a gun. Tell me how easy it is to hit a specific arm or leg on a moving paper target.
So basically what your telling me is that they could have killed a bystander.
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