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Old 02-16-2015, 06:24 PM
 
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This is nonsense. Israel has the best QOL for Arab Muslims in the Middle East. Most victims of terror are Muslims. In Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the QOL for them is far worse than in Israel. Obviously Israel is not perfect--no country is. But to blame the deaths of these Christians on the Israeli government and then claim that it is also somehow the US's fault is ludicrous. It is time to call a spade a spade and recognize this is radical Muslims committing these horrific acts to not only Christians, but moderate Muslims, Jews, and other religious and ethnic minorities in Arab countries.




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Because the Israeli government is the one that perpetrates the most crimes against Arabs and gets away with all of it, aside, of course, from the United States.

Remember al-Shifa in '96? The supposed chemical weapons factory that actually made veterinary pharmaceuticals in an almost entirely pastoral country? Yeah, that was in response to the fact that Mossad attempted to link the Nairobi embassy to bin-Laden led cells in Sudan allegedly producing chemical weapons. Of course the whole thing was a sham.

Or Sabra and Shatila, and how nobody was ever actually held accountable for that?

How about the fact that the U.S. was lied into war into Iraq because Ariel Sharon's political buddies wanted a friendly dictator in power who would end the Israeli boycott?

The list of savageries could go on and on... and it's largely at the behest of the Israeli and American governments, with a whole lot of French intervention over the last decade.

THAT's why I point fingers at the Israeli government. You'll notice, too, that that's why most terrorist attacks against Russia come from Chechnya and Dagestan, and not from Iraq, Syria, North Africa, etc. It's because foreign occupations cause blowback, and 90% of the current blowback (ISIS, Jabhat al-Nusra, the Northern Storm Brigade, Arar al-Sham, etc.) is the fault of the U.S. and Israeli governments and their sock puppets in Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar and the U.A.E. Oh, and the Iranians, who played Douglas Fithe and Richard Perle like the stupid fiddles they were back in '03 and ran off with all the oil in southeast Iraq.

When I say the "Israelis," the "Iranians," etc., I'm referring to the governments of those states. It's not like the Iranian people themselves payed Ahmed Chalabi to con the Office of Special Plans or something. So when I say the Israelis, or the Israeli government, I'm not talking about jews, and that should go without saying.

Kind of like how Americans didn't actually want the invasion of Iraq, they were just duped into thinking they did by the evil political apparatus that has the audacity to consider themselves our overlords.
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Old 02-16-2015, 06:26 PM
 
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And so it begins........

Brigade headed to Kuwait one of largest US forces in region | Daily Mail Online
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Old 02-16-2015, 06:29 PM
 
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I'm not anti-Semitic.
No, you're a rabid anti-Semite, of the worst kind. ANYONE who blames "the Jews" for Muslim radicals killing everyone is, by definition, an anti-Semite. You specifically blamed Israel for Muslim radicals beheading Christians in Libya. The connection to Israel or Jews is ZERO. There actually isn't even one Jew left in Libya, they were all killed or kicked out by Muslim radicals (which I'm sure you blame on "the Jews" too).

We know you hate "the Jews" and blame them for everything in the world, and you certainly aren't alone. You're part of a centuries-long tradition of blaming Jews for everything, encouraging their murder, and spreading lies about Jews in order to provide an outlet for the failings of others.

Israel is, BY FAR, the most democratic and progressive state in the Middle East. I mean, it isn't even close. Probably the most progressive state after Israel would be Turkey, and Turkey is pretty much a dictatorship where all the Christians, Jews, and ethnic minorities were killed or kicked out. Most other places are basically pre-modernity hellholes where they will behead you for a cartoon.
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Old 02-16-2015, 06:29 PM
 
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This is nonsense. Israel has the best QOL for Arab Muslims in the Middle East. Most victims of terror are Muslims. In Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the QOL for them is far worse than in Israel. Obviously Israel is not perfect--no country is. But to blame the deaths of these Christians on the Israeli government and then claim that it is also somehow the US's fault is ludicrous. It is time to call a spade a spade and recognize this is radical Muslims committing these horrific acts to not only Christians, but moderate Muslims, Jews, and other religious and ethnic minorities in Arab countries.
Yeah, because they were just SUCH Muslims... just SO devout and SO radical that their religion compelled them to commit atrocities.

It's reactionary. How does nobody understand this?

It's the EXACT same thing that happened in the American Southwest in the 1860's and 70's. The more that the government pursued hostile measures to subdue the Apache and Navajo, the more the Apache and Navajo attacked American, Mexican, and other Apache settlements, usually because they believed those Indians were in some way friendly to Mexicans or Americans. It was a giant cycle of violence that stopped... how? Negotiations. Funny how that works.

Explain Tamil Tiger atrocities, then, if it's all about radical Islam. Or how about the Kamikazes? Was that radical Shintoism?
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Old 02-16-2015, 06:40 PM
 
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Also, you mean in Israel proper, not in the West Bank or East Jerusalem or Gaza Strip, which are run completely by the IDF and the Shin Bet and where people are not allowed to vote for any representatives whatsoever in the government that rules them.
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Old 02-16-2015, 06:42 PM
 
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Also, you mean in Israel proper, not in the West Bank or East Jerusalem or Gaza Strip, which are run completely by the IDF and the Shin Bet and where people are not allowed to vote for any representatives whatsoever in the government that rules them.
Anti-Semites and their ignorant and pathetic Israel obsession. Will this sickness ever be eradicated from the world?

A Muslim radical massacre in a country with 0 Jews, and yet even here you have a Jew hater blabbing on about the IDF. "It's da Jews that did it! ISIS are really Jews, I tell ya!"
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Old 02-16-2015, 06:45 PM
 
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Yeah, because they were just SUCH Muslims... just SO devout and SO radical that their religion compelled them to commit atrocities.

It's reactionary. How does nobody understand this?

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Yes they were such Muslims. so devout and radical. they were doing this when Thomas Jefferson (1800s)was president. Before Christopher Columbus (1400s). When Omar was brutally expanding the caliph (600s)

It is not reactionary, it is of long standing. Conquer and convert by the sword or fire. That simple.
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Old 02-16-2015, 07:00 PM
 
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Yes they were such Muslims. so devout and radical. they were doing this when Thomas Jefferson (1800s)was president. Before Christopher Columbus (1400s). When Omar was brutally expanding the caliph (600s)

It is not reactionary, it is of long standing. Conquer and convert by the sword or fire. That simple.
You mean kind of like how the U.S. government genocided the Indians of the plains and southwest, because they claimed it was their duty to Christianize them?

Or like how the Spanish so peacefully Christianized the Andes?

Or how Puritan theocrats in Massachussetts burned people at the stake in public like 300 years ago?

Or, you know, Columbus himself chopping off Taino arms and raping little girls in the name of "civilizing" them?

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Old 02-16-2015, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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You're making excuses for Muslim terrorists to the point that you don't even make sense. How isit reactionary to the US and Israel for ISIS to burn a Jordanian pilot alive, behead Christian Arabs, or toss gay Arab Muslim men off of buildings?
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Old 02-16-2015, 07:51 PM
 
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CAIRO (Reuters) - Islamic State released a video on Sunday that appeared to show the beheadings of 21 Egyptian Christians in Libya and President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi warned that his country would respond to the deaths as it saw fit.
'APPEARED TO SHOW' does not mean they actually did it...

I am hopefull this DID NOT HAPPEN!!!!
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