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Old 02-17-2015, 10:57 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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In looking at photos online, and I could be entirely wrong, the murderous swine dressed in black are considerably taller then the poor victims, westerners???
They might be, but most of the victims had their heads bowed as they were marched along by the murderous swine. And the pictures were taken from a perspective above them. Seems this could make the victims appear shorter than their captors.
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Old 02-17-2015, 11:12 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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agree

when the poster resorts to name calling the point is lost anyway
As does the switching topics in response to a valid point made by another poster.
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Old 02-17-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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Okay, if you're ACTUALLY going to read the response, I'll explain it for you.

It goes like this:

The Americans have a long history of respecting, for the most part, domestic freedoms. We have protecting liberties enshrined in our constitution, which is founded on the principles of the enlightenment and the idea that government ought to be limited in its abilities to lord over our daily affairs. Because we have such a long, entrenched tradition of respecting rights, our politicians are in turn, if they wish to keep their political careers, forced to pander to these rights in their public speeches regarding basically anything at all. If they want to kill a whole bunch of people in another country that did nothing to us at all, then they have to spin it as having something to do with freedom, because that's what our traditions dictate they care about and so they wouldn't be able to keep their own political ambitions alive or accomplish their ends if they didn't do that. It's not that they care about our freedoms (cases in point: George Bush and Barack Obama), but they at least have to pretend like they do in order to keep their jobs.

Okay, so, it's basically understood around the whole globe that Western Civilization is founded on the enlightenment principles which were enshrined in the American constitution. Most people on the globe are collectivists, as you and many others are here when you articulate the belief that the Israeli Government represents "the Jews." Most people around the globe believe that the American Government, likewise, represents "the Americans." They also, likewise, believe that the U.S. is the leader of Western Civilization, and that it's representative of those Western values, because they see people like Barack Obama and his ilk on their podiums giving political sermons about the importance of freedom, democracy, etc. When that same government that makes those same speeches then turns around and, say, bombs and blockades a whole bunch of innocent civilians in that country, they in turn come to believe that Western Civilization is a big hypocritical monolith motivating U.S. interests and founded on lies about freedom and liberty, etc.

So, that same "beacon" of Western Civilization (the American Government) that tries to "free" and "liberate" the world is actually, and has been, killing Muslims since H.W.'s dumb ass decided it was a good idea to give Sadaam the green light to invade Kuwait, and then turned around and killed a whole bunch of his troops as they were retreating. That same government then placed military bases on the holiest land in all of Islam, uninvited by any of the Muslims in the region. Can you imagine the backlash if the U.S. was suddenly seized by a dictator who invited Russians and Chinese to build military bases in Texas? Yeah, right.

Then, that same empire masquerading behind the rhetoric of freedom and the value of Western Civilization conducts ENORMOUS bombing raids and blockades of entire countries full of innocent Muslims from their holiest land. There was the first gulf war, the Iraq blockades, the al-Shifa bombing, further Sudanese bombing, the list goes on. Then on top of all of that, that same empire that extols the virtues of Western Civilization and Democratic values supports, in no uncertain terms, all of the most horrible dictators in the region at one point or another. The House of Saud only maintains power because of U.S. backing. Assad, for a while, was also our guy. So was Hosni Mubarak, Moammar Qaddafi (twice), the guy in Tunisia whose name I forget, the Bahraini royal family and the ruling Sheiks in the UAE. The U.S. also regime changed a democratically elected leader in Iran and installed a guy whose secret police ran roughshod over the entire country at will, surpressing all dissent. Imagine for even one second that the Iranians did that to us, and installed a radical-Shia-friendly dictator with evil secret police who killed any dissenters for 26 straight years. Think there would be backlash?

Anyway, at first, these guys lash out at these Western nations, thinking they're so rife with hypocrisy because their leaders are, and they, just like you, equate their leaders with the people themselves, not understanding that governments are rulers and not representatives. So they suicide bomb the twin towers and do a whole bunch of horrible stuff to us, because they want to get at our government and they have no army whatsoever to fight back with. It's out of desperation, at first. Then, after a while, when our government tries to subvert their insurgency and these radical suicide bombing lunatics are the only people that are actually standing up to us, they recruit more and more people. Eventually, they become a legitimized movement with their own radical ideology that only ever came to power because people needed SOME way to fight back. Then, they go and do the crazy **** they do SPECIFICALLY to provoke a reaction from the West, and to demonstrate to themselves and to their constituents whose homes and families and livelihoods have been destroyed by Western governments just how anti-Western they are. Why do you think they film all this stuff and put it on YouTube? It's designed both to generate a reaction of recoil in the West, and to show their own sympathizers just how anti-Western they are.

Look at, for example, the things you named. They burned a Jordanian alive. Why a Jordanian? Because they know that the Hashemite rulers of that country are nothing more than Western puppets and, using the same collective logic as you, believe that they're getting back at the West by attacking those who do its dirty work. Same with the Christian Arabs. Who was in Fallujah shooting innocent babies and their mothers with depleted Uranium rounds? Nominally Christian Americans. It doesn't mean that the Americans were there for religious motivations, but to a people for whom religion is such a core part of day-to-day life, it sure looks that way. So that's why they lash out at Christians. What about gays? Why kill gays? Well, to them, they believe we are totally okay with homosexuality here in the West and so, yet again, they choose innocent people to kill because they're supposed to represent a larger opposition to the West in general.

It's all a giant reaction and attempt to show the world just how non-Western they are, since the West just bombed and starved and blockaded and murdered them into oblivion for the last half a decade, and DEFINITELY for the last thirty years.

Argue that, please.
All your bloviating still just amounts to making excuses for the actions of these Muslim terrorists.
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Old 02-17-2015, 11:24 AM
 
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10% of Egypt's population is Coptic. They have had churches burned down and members killed in Egypt since Mubarak fell. If the Muslim Brotherhood was still in charge in Egypt it's likely this act would have been ignored. Yeah, that should be the topic here, not some long diatribe on America and Israel..
They were seen as supporters of the previous regime under Mubarak. When you have a revolution against dictatorships, groups that prospered under the previous government are hated for having turned a blind eye to the abuses. I don't know that has anything to do with what happened in Libya. Egypt's military was also involved in the training of the Libyan militias for the overthrow of Gaddafi. Once covert regime change operations end, these groups are cut loose (to avoid being tied to the foreign governments) and go wild (see Al Qaeda in the 90's).

Why Did Assad, Saddam and Mubarak Protect Christians?
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Old 02-17-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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Another day, another massacre from the religion of peace. The left is always telling us how it is the bad apples that do this; if that is so, this must be one diseased apple orchard.
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Old 02-17-2015, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Sneads Ferry NC/Randolph NJ/Cape Coral FL
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They might be, but most of the victims had their heads bowed as they were marched along by the murderous swine. And the pictures were taken from a perspective above them. Seems this could make the victims appear shorter than their captors.
Thanks....going to take another look with that perspective
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Did the Holocaust victims have cause to be "angry" with the butchers that killed 6,000,000 of them? Where are their suicide bombers? Where are the Americans attacking bazaars in Araby after September 11? Where's the anger of the non-Muslim world against Muslims?

The hypocrisy is incredible.

They had cause to be angry. Do you not remember how Israel hunted fugitive Nazis that escaped justice?

As for your statement about suicide bombers. Blowing yourself up to take out an enemy is not a tactic the most power country on earth needs to use. Why blow yourself up to take out a target when you send Hell fire missiles and blow enemies up from above from the safety of Nevada?
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Old 02-17-2015, 03:01 PM
 
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They were seen as supporters of the previous regime under Mubarak. When you have a revolution against dictatorships, groups that prospered under the previous government are hated for having turned a blind eye to the abuses. I don't know that has anything to do with what happened in Libya. Egypt's military was also involved in the training of the Libyan militias for the overthrow of Gaddafi. Once covert regime change operations end, these groups are cut loose (to avoid being tied to the foreign governments) and go wild (see Al Qaeda in the 90's).

Why Did Assad, Saddam and Mubarak Protect Christians?
Good point, and ON TOPIC. Thanks.
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Old 02-17-2015, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Another day, another massacre from the religion of peace. The left is always telling us how it is the bad apples that do this; if that is so, this must be one diseased apple orchard.
You know the saying--"with this many bad apples, there must be something wrong with the orchard". Or "judge a tree by the quality of its fruit". Bill Maher said all this, referring, of course, to Islam.
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Old 02-17-2015, 03:48 PM
 
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