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Old 02-17-2015, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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It rained really hard!

Noah 's Ark is mostly just a symbolic story. Did the whole world flood? No. Did Noah built an ark large enough to house 2 of every creature on earth? No. But could there have been a man named Noah who built an ark to save his family and his domesticated animals From a large flood? No reason why that couldn't have happened. Some symbolism about Satan, sin, the Holy Spirit, and God's love is thrown into the basic narrative and we get the story of Noah 's Ark that is in the Bible.
Very true. And I think that is really the story.

But there are a lot of people who take it for the truth (as impossible as that is) and refuse to admit it as just the symbolic story it is.

And there are flooding stories long before Noah.
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Old 02-18-2015, 02:48 AM
 
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C 14 dating can go back a lot farther than 3000 years as can tree ring dating (dendrachronolgy).

How did the firmament of water and ice affect incoming and outgoing solar radiation?
Nuclear reactors have shields of water and lead that stop neutrons and cosmic ray particles. If they weren't shielded, no one could be within miles of them.

A firmament of water and ice would be transparent - one could see the stars and the moon at night and the sun at day - but it would block almost all damaging particles from hitting the earth's surface. Some neutrinos would get through, but the rate of formation of radionuclide's would be almost nil compared to today. When the firmament was lost, C-14 levels quickly rose from almost nothing and then reaches an equilibrium over time.

There was a very gentle topography before the flood. All the continental drift that occurred was massive: continents collided or were pushed upward when they met an opposing force. Mountains came about because of this great cataclysmic event. Volcanoes greatly increased.

Tsunami waves are barely felt on a ark in the ocean.

Polar regions such as the North Slope have tropical trees in its permafrost. That can not happen unless something very sudden happened on the earth.

Noah was perhaps the most God-fearing and kindest man who had ever lived up to that time. But even he could hardly bear what the earth had become: cold, windy, seasons, pestilence, biting and poisonous bugs, carnivores, having to eat meat which he never did before. He consoled himself by growing a grape orchard, making wine, and getting drunk. The changes were more than he thought he could bear. If we were ejected from a paradise world and into an alien forbidding one, what would we do?

The Christian God creates things to confound the "wise". This thread confirms that.
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Old 02-18-2015, 03:03 AM
 
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It rained really hard!

Noah 's Ark is mostly just a symbolic story. Did the whole world flood? No. Did Noah built an ark large enough to house 2 of every creature on earth? No. But could there have been a man named Noah who built an ark to save his family and his domesticated animals From a large flood? No reason why that couldn't have happened. Some symbolism about Satan, sin, the Holy Spirit, and God's love is thrown into the basic narrative and we get the story of Noah 's Ark that is in the Bible.
Why is an ark sitting on Mt Ararat.

The Bible says seven pairs of certain kinds of animal were brought to the ark.

Why does science say that oceans levels were much lower in the "recent" past. The melting of continental ice sheets are not nearly enough volume to explain the discrepancy. The "hidden" source of water was the firmament protecting the earth.
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Old 02-18-2015, 03:47 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Why is an ark sitting on Mt Ararat.

The Bible says seven pairs of certain kinds of animal were brought to the ark.

Why does science say that oceans levels were much lower in the "recent" past. The melting of continental ice sheets are not nearly enough volume to explain the discrepancy. The "hidden" source of water was the firmament protecting the earth.
So this "ice shell/firmament" encased the entire earth. The earth rotates on its axis. Did this "shell" rotate as well or was it fixed and stationary? How high was it? One mile? Ten miles? Twenty? How thick? Meteorites hit earth frequently. How did this "shell" avoid them?

Where may I read more about it?
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Old 02-18-2015, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Why is an ark sitting on Mt Ararat.

The Bible says seven pairs of certain kinds of animal were brought to the ark.

Why does science say that oceans levels were much lower in the "recent" past. The melting of continental ice sheets are not nearly enough volume to explain the discrepancy. The "hidden" source of water was the firmament protecting the earth.
Regarding the Ark on Mt. Ararat:

n February 1993, CBS aired a two-hour primetime special titled, "The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark." It included the riveting testimony of a man who claimed not only to have personally seen the Ark on Ararat, but also to have recovered a piece of it. The claims were later revealed to be a hoax. In March 2006, researchers found a rock formation on Mount Ararat that resembled a huge ark, but nothing came of that claim.
The Ark: Could Noah's Tale Be True?

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Old 02-18-2015, 05:10 AM
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Location: Norwich, UK
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This layer of water or ice would break apart from tidal forcing within a day, it would melt within 2 days, and it would also block out all radiation, including visible light, and kill every plant on Earth! Everything else would then starve to death, assuming the ice layer hadn't already de-orbited and crushed everything on the surface.
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Old 02-18-2015, 05:29 AM
 
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My troll meter must be broke. I can't tell if you are trying to troll or if you really are that lost about science.

If you aren't trolling, it is obvious the definition of scientific theory is too much for you to comprehend. If you are indeed trolling, jokes on me.
I was responding to the post before that one, in which the poster stated to me that evolution is simply a theory the same as any other, including apparently Creationism. My post is arguing that not all "theories" are scientifically equal and some are just plain silly.

You can't just take part of a post and quote it, it doesn't have context without the other posters quotes which were above mine in the post and made it clear what I was responding to.

Here is the quoted post I was responding to, which you left out for whatever reason: If you're still confused, the quick answer is I am pro science and on your side.

Originally Posted by headingtoDenver
"You should know that pretty much everything concerning science is a theory. This doesn't mean that it isn't proven, it is just wording. Gravity is a theory. Think about the theory of relativity. All theories by definition, even if they are proven.
scientific theory

systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.

Scientific theory | Define Scientific theory at Dictionary.com"



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Old 02-18-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

and these people not only vote, but some of them hold prominent positions in government


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A joke? How could you tell?

Such is the problem with fundamentalists. Satirical humor rests on portraying absurdities, but with fundamentalists there are no beliefs too absurd that you will not find them.

From the Creation Museum itself in Kentucky:

Creation Museum - Creation, Evolution, Science, Dinosaurs, Family, Christian Worldview | Creation Museum

Yes, this is a photo of one of their exhibits (they claim all dinosaurs were herbivorous, and so never molested humans):


And people who believe this insanity VOTE.
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Old 02-18-2015, 09:22 AM
 
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Nuclear reactors have shields of water and lead that stop neutrons and cosmic ray particles. If they weren't shielded, no one could be within miles of them.

A firmament of water and ice would be transparent - one could see the stars and the moon at night and the sun at day - but it would block almost all damaging particles from hitting the earth's surface. Some neutrinos would get through, but the rate of formation of radionuclide's would be almost nil compared to today. When the firmament was lost, C-14 levels quickly rose from almost nothing and then reaches an equilibrium over time.

There was a very gentle topography before the flood. All the continental drift that occurred was massive: continents collided or were pushed upward when they met an opposing force. Mountains came about because of this great cataclysmic event. Volcanoes greatly increased.

Tsunami waves are barely felt on a ark in the ocean.

Polar regions such as the North Slope have tropical trees in its permafrost. That can not happen unless something very sudden happened on the earth.

Noah was perhaps the most God-fearing and kindest man who had ever lived up to that time. But even he could hardly bear what the earth had become: cold, windy, seasons, pestilence, biting and poisonous bugs, carnivores, having to eat meat which he never did before. He consoled himself by growing a grape orchard, making wine, and getting drunk. The changes were more than he thought he could bear. If we were ejected from a paradise world and into an alien forbidding one, what would we do?

The Christian God creates things to confound the "wise". This thread confirms that.
And apparently all the laws of physics and the processes of geology were totally different back then as well. I layer of solid water in the atmosphere would have resulted in runaway greenhouse affect much like Venus has with vapour. There is zero evidence for any of what you prepose. Tropical trees in the polar areas line up with both plate techtonics and paleomagnetism. If it was done suddenly like you claim then the earth's magentic field was not only reversing itself rapidly but the magnetic north pole was in different places depending on where in the earth you were.

Science disagrees with your proclaimation that there is only one way for the tropical trees. Have you even read about paleoclimate and paleobiogreography before you dismiss those subjects of even being capaple of having an explaination.

I do not think we should teach in schools something for which there is neither scientific evidence and goes against most of the laws and theories in many of our sciences. What is capable of holding up solid water high above our heads and the moment you use a God made things different back then you have stepped away from science which is the subject taught in schools to a religious explaination.

As far as volcanoes go, how in this massive global flood with mountains all being made and the continents quickly being moved across the earth would volcanic ash land onto the surface of the water and then settle down as an undisturbed layer showing zero evidence of mixing with either the water or with any other sediments in the water. Volcanic ash is very light and yet it settled not only undisturbed but settled faster than rocks and pebbles in many areas.

The biggest problem for all the creative explainations for the global flood is each of them brings up needs to explain additional things.
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Old 02-18-2015, 10:50 AM
 
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Why is an ark sitting on Mt Ararat.
After more than 5000 years the wood would have been blown away.

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The Bible says seven pairs of certain kinds of animal were brought to the ark.
It did not mention Noah circumnavigating the Earth to pick up the penguins and polar bears, pandas and capybaras, lemurs and rattlesnakes, and all the freshwater fish and amphibians. It did not mention an ark having been built like a nuclear submarine to be able to submerge -- because the falling rain from the firmament would have been scalding hot! It also said nothing about a freshwater fish tank.

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Why does science say that oceans levels were much lower in the "recent" past. The melting of continental ice sheets are not nearly enough volume to explain the discrepancy. The "hidden" source of water was the firmament protecting the earth.
The Ice Age -- the latest global maximum was about 18,000 years ago, so that violates the Biblical chronology and is thus a demonic illusion set to ensnare rationalists. Land connected Alaska to Siberia and Indonesia and Japan to the Asian mainland when about 200 meters of the current volume of world seawater was encased as ice that reached as far south as London, Berlin, Warsaw, Seattle, Kansas City, St. Louis, Louisville, and New York City...

My best explanation was that the Flood was the sudden inundation of land that is now the Persian Gulf, with "Noah" having the wisdom to build a nice boat to get to some place high and dry.
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