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Old 02-16-2015, 05:31 PM
 
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They are holding back because they know the Americans with their big pr*^ck syndrome wont be able to resist budding in with their own GIs soon enough...
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Old 02-16-2015, 05:32 PM
 
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Bush hasn't been president in 7 years. Try to keep up.
LOL --- gotta love the deaf & blind Tea Party apologism for Ole Dubya.

I can hear the sheep bleating from several states away!
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Old 02-16-2015, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Why should Egypt clean up a mess we created when they fight Muslim extremists in their own country and we withhold military support from them? ISIS exists because we fostered the conditions that allow it to exist. So what is worse, what Hussein was doing or what ISIS is doing?
Reading up on vietnam lately has really shown the parallels between that conflict and this one.

We do a fantastic job at messing things up. I would be surprised if things turned out differently even if we had stayed there longer. Vietnam and its neighboring countries were exploited by imperialism/colonialism and it gave birth to brutal communist dictatorships.

In this case it's brutal islamic fundamentalism.
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Old 02-16-2015, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Why would predominantly Islamic countries go fight against a group that has "Islam" in its name? They probably think it's "haram" to do this.
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Old 02-16-2015, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Chicago - Logan Square
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The answers are very simple.

Egypt is an unstable political wreck at the moment, they aren't sending troops anywhere (and really shouldn't). Committing troops to any foreign conflict anywhere will worsen an already unstable political situation. Besides, the army is keeping the troops in the country in case they need to use them to restore order (again).

The Jordanian army is well trained, well disciplined and strong for the size of the country - but it's still under 100,000. It also isn't trained or equipped for this type of conflict. It is primarily equipped and trained for two main functions - defense and peacekeeping.

Most of Jordan's military training and equipment is geared for defensive purposes, mostly because Jordan has not envisioned launching offenses and has no desire to make Israel paranoid about their capabilities. Jordan does an incredible job of committing troops to UN peace keeping missions, and much of their army is trained and equipped for this type of function. Jordan does not have any sizable number of troops trained and equipped for aggressive combat. They are also somewhat unstable at the moment, since they've got millions of Syrian refuges in their country. Much of the military is busy doing humanitarian work to deal with that situation. Of all the countries in the region Jordan is the last one anyone should accuse of not doing enough in this situation, they should actually be getting much more aid to help with Syrian refugees.
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Old 02-16-2015, 07:01 PM
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Why should Egypt clean up a mess we created when they fight Muslim extremists in their own country and we withhold military support from them? ISIS exists because we fostered the conditions that allow it to exist. So what is worse, what Hussein was doing or what ISIS is doing?
Saddam killed a lot more people than ISIS.
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Old 02-16-2015, 07:11 PM
 
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Why should Egypt clean up a mess we created when they fight Muslim extremists in their own country and we withhold military support from them? ISIS exists because we fostered the conditions that allow it to exist. So what is worse, what Hussein was doing or what ISIS is doing?
Exactly. There was no ISIS until Bush and Cheney decided to invade and topple Saddam based on a lie. The USA has destabilized the Middle East. Both should be tried for crimes against humanity.
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Old 02-16-2015, 07:37 PM
 
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Why should they? Americans are the policemen of the world, let Americans die.
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Old 02-16-2015, 10:04 PM
 
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The answers are very simple.

Egypt is an unstable political wreck at the moment, they aren't sending troops anywhere (and really shouldn't). Committing troops to any foreign conflict anywhere will worsen an already unstable political situation. Besides, the army is keeping the troops in the country in case they need to use them to restore order (again).

The Jordanian army is well trained, well disciplined and strong for the size of the country - but it's still under 100,000. It also isn't trained or equipped for this type of conflict. It is primarily equipped and trained for two main functions - defense and peacekeeping.

Most of Jordan's military training and equipment is geared for defensive purposes, mostly because Jordan has not envisioned launching offenses and has no desire to make Israel paranoid about their capabilities. Jordan does an incredible job of committing troops to UN peace keeping missions, and much of their army is trained and equipped for this type of function. Jordan does not have any sizable number of troops trained and equipped for aggressive combat. They are also somewhat unstable at the moment, since they've got millions of Syrian refuges in their country. Much of the military is busy doing humanitarian work to deal with that situation. Of all the countries in the region Jordan is the last one anyone should accuse of not doing enough in this situation, they should actually be getting much more aid to help with Syrian refugees.
Wow. Its nice to see a well thought out answer like this!
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Old 02-16-2015, 10:13 PM
 
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While I applaud the recent decisions by the leaders of Jordan and Egypt to launch military airstrikes against ISIS, I have to wonder why I see no commitment to order up ground troops?

Egypt has the largest and most modernized army in the Middle East and it's highly respected around the world, and I believe Jordan is much smaller but still capable for it's size. I'm not a military expert, but bombing these ISIS vermin scumbags will only be minimally effective in the long term, and produces a LOT of collateral damage since they hide like cowards amongst women and children.

As much as I detest the beheadings of Americans by ISIS, it's still only been less than a half dozen killed. Other Middle Eastern countries are suffering much worse at the hands of ISIS. When are they going to show courage and send in boots and guns?

The only ground forces I see fighting ISIS are the Kurdish people. I have gained a lot of respect for these hardy warriors.
House-to-House combat are dangerous. Just ask the Germans (google Battle of Stalingrad).
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