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Old 02-23-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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The police were right to apprehend the suspect, but very wrong in their tactics. We don't need that sort of quasi-military thing just to arrest most people. A knock, a call on the phone, a bullhorn letting the guy know that he is surrounded. Give him a chance to surrender. Pretend that they like him, that they are willing to work with him for a lighter sentence.

Sure it might take some time to talk him down. But he can't escape. Only if it takes forever should they kick in the door and make with the flash-bangies or whatever, pistols, only a shotgun on backup well outside if things go really bad. Rifles penetrate walls etc. and shouldn't be used in a home.
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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So... avowed police hater posts story from liberal website... then doesnt agree with the VERDICTS delivered by several bodies

I wish I could hang my suspects.. but.. I actually like the law...

Poor little girl.. daddy was a murderer... no justice ..no peace.. opps.. hes in jail
You are part of this problem.

You see you suspects guilty before anything, and would play judge, jury and executioner if you had the chance.

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A SWAT team had conducted a raid to search for a murder suspect. Weekly ended up being first through the door.

There was even a film crew on hand to film for a reality show about murder investigations. Weekley says that another SWAT member had thrown a flash-bang grenade, which temporarily blinded him. That’s when he fired the shot that killed Aiyana who was asleep on the couch in the front room of the house.

Doubling down on this claim, in court he actually testified that Aiyana’s grandmother had somehow “touched” his gun, which made him fire the shot. But he failed to explain how he could tell she had done this when he claimed he couldn’t see anything at the time.

The prosecution noted that even having his finger on the trigger of his submachine gun was improper. “He could have avoided injury if he had followed his training,” Assistant Wayne County Prosecutor Robert Moran explained.

“He didn’t, and as a result of him not following his training and not following the mandates of ordinary care, someone was killed.”
You see nothing wrong with this?

If this was Joe Public, they would be in jail.
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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Why the HELL do we allow this style of raid to even happen. Grenades, sub machine guns, really? WTF!?

I guess waiting out front for the suspect to leave the building (i.e. surveillance) isn't as much fun as playing war and killing kids.

This madness has to end.
You know, I agree with this.

Last year, something like 80,000 SWAT raids took place across the country. That is far too many. The police need to remove the military gear, get back into dress uniform, and behave like the taxpayer-funded civil servants they are hired to be. What is behind this? 1) the US govt supplies them with "surplus" military gear, 2) various 'commando' training firms are making big $$$ training cops to be warriors, and 3) it's considered "cool" now to dress up like a military trooper and walk around acting important, with "cool" gear.

The Posse Comitatus Act was supposed to prevent this sort of thing. I guess not...
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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We allow it for scumbag murdering criminals ...

Let's stop this before it can even happen ... neuter all felons of the dangerous kind...
A felon is someone who has committed a felony. Too late at that point. Neuter all men at birth. That would mean you too.
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:54 PM
 
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the innocent children deserved death/injury
Where are you seeing that?
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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I will never understand the apparent line of thought of, "Well there were (allegedly) bad people in the house, so the innocent children deserved death/injury," that I keep seeing pop up. And don't tell me that's not what is being said, when things like, "
Yes, poor little girl indeed. Had she been surrounded with respectable human beings, she'd still be alive," and, "Poor little girl.. daddy was a murderer... no justice ..no peace.. opps.. hes in jail," are posted, that is exactly what you are saying. Damn the innocents, get the bad guy! You people sicken me.
Wow, poor comprehension skills? NO ONE is saying she deserved to die. If anything, children deserve better parenting than that. You don't see something wrong with harboring wanted murderers in the same house you share with your 7 year old daughter? Especially in a time when we constantly hear about maniacs raping/killing/holding hostage such young children? The parents are the very first ones to blame for her death. That's all I'm saying.
For those saying S.W.A.T. wasn't needed, and that they should have waited outside or whatever, you DO realize that this is DETROIT, right? And these were cold killers they were going after. I believe law enforcement had every reason to go about this with extreme vigilance and protection.
Too trigger-happy, yes indeed, as is often a case with cops. But they had every reason to send S.W.A.T. to the house.

Do you believe these murderers would have simply opened the door and surrendered if a regular cop walked up, knocked, and yelled "POLICE!?" VERY unlikely. Rather, some kind of shootout would have likely occurred, as these guys were armed, and obviously unafraid to kill innocents. Chances are, more than one person would have been killed.
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Old 02-23-2015, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Making this about the parents is typical Conservative deflection. Ignore the improper adherence to established SWAT protocols and make this about the parents... what about the many instances when it is straight up police fail? Just say nothing about those, right. Sorry, I am NOT going to be shamed into giving a pass to outright murder! Neither are others posting here. Black lives matter!
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Old 02-23-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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Do you believe these murderers would have simply opened the door and surrendered if a regular cop walked up, knocked, and yelled "POLICE!?" VERY unlikely. Rather, some kind of shootout would have likely occurred, as these guys were armed, and obviously unafraid to kill innocents. Chances are, more than one person would have been killed.
What's wrong with waiting around till they leave the house, then tail them? Or set up a van with a camera and get to know the guys routine and apprehend at an appropriate time. You know, good old police work. Not as much fun for the cops I guess...

Also if this was so dangerious, why do they bring along a camera crew? Why the hell does police work have to do with entertainment?

It's like they the cops have an incentive to keep up the ratings with more flash and bang. Seriously, I wonder how we got 'here'.
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Old 02-23-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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Making this about the parents is typical Conservative deflection. Ignore the improper adherence to established SWAT protocols and make this about the parents... what about the many instances when it is straight up police fail? Just say nothing about those, right. Sorry, I am NOT going to be shamed into giving a pass to outright murder! Neither are others posting here. Black lives matter!
I did say that the cop was too trigger happy.
Yes, he should have been charged and found guilty of manslaughter.
My point stands: It is VERY MUCH about poor parenting and the unfortunate situations and circumstances that can occur as a result.
Black lives matter, I agree; which is why I don't subject my children to situations that could lead to such scenarios.
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Old 02-23-2015, 03:12 PM
 
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Wrong house? It was the right house.
And they were going after a young "man" who had borrowed her dad's illegally-owned gun to kill a 17 year old HS senior for giving him a "dirty look."

Of course it's not the little girl's fault. It does, however, have a lot to do with her parents and the company/lifestyles they kept/lived. Of course, they're the same type of people who will rapidly blame the evil police for barging into a house that was harboring a wanted murderer.

Wrong house. Did you read the article? The correct unit was on a different floor.

Regardless of what happened, you don't go shooting a 7-yr old on the head when the occupants of the house did not resist arrest.
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