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Old 02-26-2015, 06:23 PM
 
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Another takeover by the Feds? What is most disturbing is they won't let anyone review the new regulations. Open forums like this one may become a thing of the past.
LOL net neutrality is not a bad thing....
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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Here we go, internet on Oabamacare !

I am really beginning to dislike this guy !
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Corona del Mar & Coronado, CA
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Well I guess we should all get a good look at it now since it has passed. I do feel confused about what is is all about. This thread is the first I have learned about it. It is hard to debate the ramifications of something when it's exact wording is being hidden

It does sound like they want to prevent internet service providers from forcing websites to pay more to make sure the customers using that isp get smooth service to their website and will deliberately slow down service to websites that do not pay them and that I do not like...

Will it also force the internet service provider to not charge more money for different speeds of service to their customers?

I wonder if some wondergeek somewhere can find a way to access the internet for free with no isp ? That would solve the problem
Okay, did you read the article?

Let's address "wondergeeks" and "free" first. What do you think the Internet is? Magic waves floating through the air? At some point the Internet has to go into the ground (or overhead) in fiber optic cables and laying thousands of miles of fiber isn't cheap. Then the "Internet" (content) is spread all over the place on company's servers, to get you that content, not every provider can connect directly (think of building a private road to every store in your town, to your home) so they connect with ISPs. The ISPS have to have millions of dollars worth of hardware, people to maintain and program them, massive power bills to keep the machines cool, specialty built buildings to house the hardware and expensive, back-up power sources in case of failure. It is a very expensive business to be in.

As to preventing ISPs from choking down certain websites. They don't do it now and haven't threatened to, but broadband is not an infinite service. It has speed and capacity limitations. Imagine you live in a cluster of 10 homes around a cable box and the capacity of the fiber for internet back to the central office (or next aggregation point) is 100MB. With the teens next door on their MMORPG games, creepy Mr. Johnson downloading his porn, Old Lady Smith trying to stream 50 Shades of Grey and everyone else competing for that bandwidth, will you not be unhappy if you can't use your Internet the way you want because your neighbors are hogging the bandwidth? If the ISP can get Sony Online and Netflix into peering agreements, they can deliver the service cheaper and more efficiently to everyone, but if Sony and Netflix have no incentive to peer, why would they spend the money to do so?

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LOL net neutrality is not a bad thing....
Yes, it is a very bad thing and it not neutral. It is like calling sexual assault a neutral sexual encounter.
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Old 02-27-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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Yes it will allow ISPs to raise prices EVEN MORE and still provide the same crappy service!! (Its all about $$$$$ in this country)
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Old 02-27-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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Typical conservatives
run around like crazy saying that something is bad and they have no idea what they are talking about

Net neutrality is the same thing as keeping the highways without toll roads
What corporations are pushing for is "the right" to create toll roads on internet
And just like toll roads, THEY WILL use the tactic of making the free/cheaper side really bad to force people to use the paid/expensive side.

Is that what conservatives support?
Having to pay more for internet if you watch videos or watch TV on the internet?

Typical conservative knee-jerk reaction that is destroying this country.
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Old 02-27-2015, 04:32 PM
 
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This country was destroyed years ago...... IT JUST KEEPS GETTING WORSE AND WORSE
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Old 02-27-2015, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Okay, did you read the article?

Let's address "wondergeeks" and "free" first. What do you think the Internet is? Magic waves floating through the air? At some point the Internet has to go into the ground (or overhead) in fiber optic cables and laying thousands of miles of fiber isn't cheap. Then the "Internet" (content) is spread all over the place on company's servers, to get you that content, not every provider can connect directly (think of building a private road to every store in your town, to your home) so they connect with ISPs. The ISPS have to have millions of dollars worth of hardware, people to maintain and program them, massive power bills to keep the machines cool, specialty built buildings to house the hardware and expensive, back-up power sources in case of failure. It is a very expensive business to be in.

As to preventing ISPs from choking down certain websites. They don't do it now and haven't threatened to, but broadband is not an infinite service. It has speed and capacity limitations. Imagine you live in a cluster of 10 homes around a cable box and the capacity of the fiber for internet back to the central office (or next aggregation point) is 100MB. With the teens next door on their MMORPG games, creepy Mr. Johnson downloading his porn, Old Lady Smith trying to stream 50 Shades of Grey and everyone else competing for that bandwidth, will you not be unhappy if you can't use your Internet the way you want because your neighbors are hogging the bandwidth? If the ISP can get Sony Online and Netflix into peering agreements, they can deliver the service cheaper and more efficiently to everyone, but if Sony and Netflix have no incentive to peer, why would they spend the money to do so?



Yes, it is a very bad thing and it not neutral. It is like calling sexual assault a neutral sexual encounter.
I did have a feeling getting onto the internet for free would not be so easy but oh well.

The other part though of what you wrote I disagree with you state the isps have never threatened to shut down a website unless they were paid but according to this article comcast did demand and receive money from Netflix to supply better customer speeds, and after receiving the money the speeds did increase. I feel that shows that with once given a bribe they will improve service to a particular website. The playing field for that website is now no longer even compared to it's competitors leading those competitors to have to face paying a bribe also or losing customers. The isp may not deliberately make service slower but it can deliberately make it faster.

This hilarious graph of Netflix speeds shows the importance of net neutrality
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