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Old 02-28-2015, 03:45 AM
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Originally Posted by biscuitmom View Post
It's a good question but as has been said by others, there will be no problems at or near the parks. Everything in the news indicates the TSA at US airports will fully staffed. I have no idea how a DHS shutdown might affect border crossings.

Consider fitting Bryce Canyon into your itinerary. IMO it's as scenic as Zion and more accessible, less crowded. I've only ever visited both in the fall though so can't say what's open and not this time of year. Both Zion and Bryce are very seasonal parks and many restaurants/shops close down in the off season.
From what I'm hearing here on the border, there will be significant delays, but everyone will be processed.......at some point. lol

Old 02-28-2015, 05:20 AM
Location: Tucson for awhile longer
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Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth View Post
What does DHS have to do with national parks? How do you even connect those two things in your mind?
Probably because it's being referred to in the media as a "government shutdown." And if the budget isn't approved sooner or later, we will be in the same situation we were previously with all sorts of government services deemed "non-essential" shut down or closed. Note, members of Congress will still get their pay though. Even if they're not working.
Old 02-28-2015, 09:04 AM
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Looks like the government has changed its mind and there will no shut down after all.
Thanks for all your replies.
Old 02-28-2015, 09:31 AM
Location: Corona del Mar & Coronado, CA
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Originally Posted by Tominftl View Post
Oh please! Give us a break. I guess you are a chronic Faux news watcher? Don't bother getting the facts...
The assertion was that the Obama Administration went out of its way to antagonize people and try to create maximum pain in the last government shutdown, which is exactly what happened.

Theoretically in a government shutdown there wouldn't be any personnel at the national parks and monuments other than truly essential personnel like law enforcement and fire fighting, but what happened was very different.

In Washington DC national monuments like the Lincoln Memorial, the WWII Memorial and others are NEVER closed because they do not have any entrances or gates or the like. They are open 24/7. But the Obama Administration tried to close them by bringing in fencing and hiring personnel to turn away visitors. So the government had to spend money they didn't have to bring in fencing, set-up fencing and then hire people they didn't have money to pay to man the barricades. There would be a fact.

Then in national parks like Yosemite, they removed the personnel at the gates, canceled all the events and closed the hotels, even though they are not run by the government. They couldn't close the gates because people live inside the park so in theory people should have been able to visit the park for free, go hiking do whatever. What actually happened was that the Obama Administration took the rangers who would normally be giving lectures and tours and had them stationed in places (like the Wawona Tunnel Turnout) telling people they couldn't stop there and look at the view. So the government that didn't have money to spend collecting entrance fees or giving lectures, did have money to spend on parking control in areas where it never existed before? That would be another fact on where the Obama Administration took actions just to create maximum pain for the people.

Those aren't vignettes that were created by anyone to make the Obama Administration look bad, they did it all on their own.

Originally Posted by neutrino78x View Post
So annoying when people use superlatives like this in politics. More divisive than, say, Nixon? Coolidge?

Jefferson was pretty divisive because people didn't want a non-Christian for a President. Washington was a Deist too, but he was seen going to a lot of churches and he had lead the war effort.
There is a difference over people being divided over a president and a president being actively divisive in his leadership. Obama never misses an opportunity to take cheap shots at Republicans in Congress, at his predecessor and anyone who disagrees with him. In my lifetime there has never been a president, Republican or Democrat, who exhibited such a nasty, divisive leadership style (if you can call refusing to lead a leadership style).
Old 02-28-2015, 11:44 AM
Location: South Seattle Suburbs
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Originally Posted by catdad7x View Post
But the Park Service wouldn't be as essential to public safety as DHS
Fatherland Security isn't essential to public safety, either. As useless as the GOP usually is, it would be a gift for this fascist organization to shut down.
Old 02-28-2015, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by eok View Post
Were any posts deleted from this thread? Some seem to refer to one that doesn't seem to exist. But the post numbers seem to be in sequence. That's confusing.
No,but there will be soon as 3 different reports have been turned in on this thread.

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