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Old 03-01-2015, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, not Paris. #MAGA.
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If "race only" descriptions are uncommon, I can't imagine the elimination of such descriptions to be very significant. Again, I think it's probably best to wait for a crime alert to be issued before commenting on how that alert may be structured.
Statistically significant, no. But the move can prove significant for individual cases where such descriptions are excluded. I think its appropriate to comment now as the current system hasn't been shown to be broken; my argument is that any change that works toward modifying (as a way to exclude certain descriptors) the current system is worthy of condemnation. I just don't see how anything good can come out of this.
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Old 03-01-2015, 06:34 PM
 
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When facts are censored, by a university no less, that is a bad sign.
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:01 PM
 
Location: South Austin, 78745
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If a dangerous criminal is on the loose, the public needs the most accurate description possible of the criminal, so leaving out the race of a dangerous criminal on the loose seems neglectful given the city's responsibility to keep it's citizens and visitors safe. Common sense. That's what's lacking here. If somebody of the same race as the criminal is offended or feels it's racist, that's just too d@mn bad, and they need to grow a thicker skin.
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Old 03-01-2015, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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So, a few years ago, the campus security at my school sent out an alert regarding a theft that happened nearby. The email stated:

"The Office of Campus Safety & Security has been advised by Security at University Center of an incident of Robbery that occurred Tuesday, February 8th at 3:00 pm at State Street and Roosevelt Road involving 2 African American offenders around the age of 17-20 years of age. Please refer to Campus safety Alerts on for details.
Precautionary Measures
Travel in groups while navigating city streets.
Be aware of your surroundings and the people around you at all times.
Consider taking public transportation to your destination when carrying packages.
Respect your instincts and immediately report individuals exhibiting suspicious behavior to the Chicago Police at 911 or to Security Command at"

Well, a couple of bright students discovered that if you hit "reply all", EVERYONE at the school would see those replies, leading to these responses:

"All Campus Safety knows is that 2 young black people were identified. No coat colors? Hats or heights? Or (and here's a wild thought) the gender of these people. Why even bother with such a general description since all it does is encourage racial profiling?"

"Wait a second. If I reply all does it send an email to the entire school? AWESOME "

"Columbia translation: BE ON THE LOOK OUT FOR YOUNG BLACK FOLK!!!!!!!"

"In all seriousness, how does such a vague warning help anyone? There really isn't a point in this other than stressing the basics such as those listed under precautionary measures. All warnings like these do is create a sense of anxiety and it does promote racial profiling when the only identifying qualifier for the suspects is their race. "

The "reply all" feature was obviously fixed but not before these replies were sent to everyone on campus, leading to much embarrassment (the school is lucky that it didn't get more press beyond the school).

Super vague descriptions such as just mentioning race is unhelpful and just leads to innocent people being targeted or suspected. However, if there are actual details about the perp(s) such as descriptions of clothing, height/weigh, hair, etc, than I see no issues w/ adding race to that list of details. But sending out what is essentially a "beware black people" or "watch out for black guys!" alert does far more harm than good.
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Old 03-02-2015, 04:51 AM
 
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If a dangerous criminal is on the loose, the public needs the most accurate description possible of the criminal, so leaving out the race of a dangerous criminal on the loose seems neglectful given the city's responsibility to keep it's citizens and visitors safe. Common sense. That's what's lacking here. If somebody of the same race as the criminal is offended or feels it's racist, that's just too d@mn bad, and they need to grow a thicker skin.
Great post
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Old 03-02-2015, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Thank God I grew up when………….

We Pledged Allegiance to the Flag each morning in school, addressed all adults as either Mr. or Mrs., played outside and got dirty and didn’t cry about it, caught frogs and teased the girls with them, missed lunch playing all day but better get my azz home for dinner with the family, rummaged through the empty lot to find a bottle to get the two cent deposit for two pieces of Bazooka Bubble gum, one for you and one for your close friend, drove up to the Bronx to visit Grandma and Grampa on Sundays and loved playing on the street with the other kids (and when they turned on the fire hydrant in the summer that was a thrill!)

And the list goes on and on while all you left wing liberal/socialist feel so sorry for being a mean racist American.


Good luck younger socialist generation because you’re screwed!
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Old 03-02-2015, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Princeton
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Default Fubar / snafu..

Six Two Six, Seven Six, go ahead Seven Six, I am responding to a call on a possible Ten Eight, I am in immediate pursuit of a suspected on a possible Ten Eight call, suspect last seen as a foot mobile heading north on Washington, maybe armed and dangerous, requesting immediate assistance near Washington and Arena, copy Six Two Six? go ahead Six Two Six, what's the description on possible suspect, Seven Six, the suspect seems to be is a young ? carrying burglary tools wearing a hoodie or sweatshirt, what color Seven Six ? copy Six Two Six, I don't know? Six Two Six, Seven Six, go ahead Six Two Six, what other description of the suspect do you have? I don't know, Six Two Six, copy? Seven Six, what other description can you give about the suspect? Seven Six, I don't know if the suspect is male or female? I don't know if the suspect is black or white, or what the possible age of the suspect is ? only that "some" suspect is heading north on Washington, copy Six Two Six? copy Six Two Six?
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Old 03-02-2015, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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We are becoming too politically correct for our own good ! I can see how a police investigation in the future might go:

Cop, was it a man or woman ?

Victim, I am not allowed to say that.....it is sexist !

Cop, how tall was the person ?

Victim, I am not allowed to say that.....short people should not be looked down upon (no pun intended)

Cop, what was the skin color ?

Victim, you are kidding me right ? Do you actually think I am allowed to say that ?

Cop, how did the person get away ?

Victim, I am not allowed to say............people who are too poor to have a car have rights too, you know !

Cop, ok, I'll put that description out immediately !!!


Don
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Old 03-02-2015, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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We are becoming too politically correct for our own good ! I can see how a police investigation in the future might go:

Cop, was it a man or woman ?

Victim, I am not allowed to say that.....it is sexist !

Cop, how tall was the person ?

Victim, I am not allowed to say that.....short people should not be looked down upon (no pun intended)

Cop, what was the skin color ?

Victim, you are kidding me right ? Do you actually think I am allowed to say that ?

Cop, how did the person get away ?

Victim, I am not allowed to say............people who are too poor to have a car have rights too, you know !

Cop, ok, I'll put that description out immediately !!!


Don
It is like something out of Portlandia. Honest.
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Old 03-02-2015, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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University of Minnesota Bans Use of Race in Crime Suspect Descriptions | PUNDIT PRESS
The University of Minnesota has banned the use of race when describing crime suspects when only a “limited” amount of information is known about them. Specifically, if the race of the suspect is known, but some other identifiable traits are not, the college will not release the race of the criminal.

Well, it's only my opinion and can somebody tell me, they really think that they will "destroy" racial discrimination by this way?
More censorship at college but as long as it helps blacks, liberals tell us it's ok?
And also, every time when somebody comitted a crime, main description of criminals was his skin color.
Does it mean that now, when thwy will call 911 they will answer like:
1 - Describe thief please, what's his skin color, his clothes?
2 - Skin color? Hmm... I can't tell this, sorry!
What do you think guys?

I think they have good intentions but not sure it is such a good idea.
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