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Old 03-06-2015, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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We have a justice system, cops aren't supposed to be the judge and jury. Of course there are times when a cop needs to shoot to kill, but the instances of brutality are clearly on the rise.

Do you not agree there is a problem? Do you not agree the police currently have a poor public perception, whether justified or not? Do you not feel the public's perception needs to change in order for the decent police officers to be more safe?

Denying the problem will not make it go away.
I don't actually believe they are on the rise.

I think about the way things have been historically...

I live in Colorado and the Wild West is all around me. I can imagine the rogue efforts of lawmen in the old days, you get one who is out to get his own and he would surely abuse all that power. Who would stop him? Only another American with a gun?

I imagine the days where Black people struggled to establish their equality as citizens (and yes I know the struggle continues, but I'm talking the days of breaking out of slavery, segregation, etc.) and especially in the deep south you better believe the police took liberties with people of color.

I consider cities that had major corruption during the days of (alcohol) prohibition, with mob money flowing into cop pockets.

I consider stories I've heard of decades gone by and specific places and specific departments, and I just don't think that it is any worse now. It is likely better than it has been in some eras. But at any time and circumstance where people had the opportunity to abuse power, they have. It's happened, it's happening, and it will likely ALWAYS happen. I don't expect humanity will ever have any kind of utopia where any group will always do the right things. The only hope is to get enough checks in place so that they cannot get away with it, when they step across the line. And now we know more about incidents of potential misconduct because everyone has a camera, and we all have internet access...hence the perception of things being bad now.
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Meh, some calls dictate a response without lights and sirens. Unlike on TV, LE doesn't roll everywhere sirens blazing.
Do they also dictate that you not use your turn signals when responding? Oh that blinking light might tip off the bad guys.

Or how about when a cop makes an illegal left turn in front of me with no turn signal, (forcing me to slam on my brakes to avoid hitting him) while he is pulling into the doughnut shop to have lunch with his buddies? Is that dictated too? If I did that to him he would flip on his lights and give me a ticket for it.
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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Do they also dictate that you not use your turn signals when responding? Oh that blinking light might tip off the bad guys.

Or how about when a cop makes an illegal left turn in front of me with no turn signal, (forcing me to slam on my brakes to avoid hitting him) while he is pulling into the doughnut shop to have lunch with his buddies? Is that dictated too?
Take the unit number down, call and file a complaint, see how easy that is? Did you even think of that? This happens all the time. Make sure you get the unit number right though, I had a complaint filed on me (via unit #) for reckless driving, thing was, that vehicle had been destroyed in a pursuit a month earlier.

Whoops.
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Old 03-06-2015, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Take the unit number down, call and file a complaint,
Yeah, like filing a complaint against a cop works. Cops shoot unarmed black kids all the time, and complaints do nothing to stop that. Complaints sure aren't going to stop cops from driving like maniacs. The only thing filing a complaint would accomplish is to get my ass beat the next time the cop sees me. Maybe thats your goal?
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Old 03-06-2015, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Yeah, like filing a complaint against a cop works. Cops shoot unarmed black kids all the time, and complaints do nothing to stop that. Complaints sure aren't going to stop cops from driving like maniacs. The only thing filing a complaint would accomplish is to get my ass beat the next time the cop sees me. Maybe thats your goal?
He actually gave you some good advice for filing a complaint. Obviously your mind is made up and all cops are bad. If you have this attitude when getting pulled over I have no doubt you would get worse treatment than a person in a standard pullover. It's the same thing over and over again. Act like a thug, consider it a badge of honor to defy any request regardless of how trivial, and then act shocked when you suffer the consequences.

Wash...Rinse...Repeat...
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Old 03-06-2015, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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Yeah, like filing a complaint against a cop works. Cops shoot unarmed black kids all the time, and complaints do nothing to stop that. Complaints sure aren't going to stop cops from driving like maniacs. The only thing filing a complaint would accomplish is to get my ass beat the next time the cop sees me. Maybe thats your goal?
Fine with me, then don't file a complaint. As someone who's actually worked with PSB/IA and is completely familiar with the complaint process, what could I possibly know? Enjoy getting cut off and stewing in your own anger. Like the other poster said, your mind is already made up so, good day.
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Old 03-06-2015, 06:04 PM
 
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Not going to pour through 20 pages of predictable drivel.
Is there "more to this story" in any credible way or is it as bad as it seems right on its surface?
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Old 03-06-2015, 06:36 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Yeah, like filing a complaint against a cop works. Cops shoot unarmed black kids all the time, and complaints do nothing to stop that. Complaints sure aren't going to stop cops from driving like maniacs. The only thing filing a complaint would accomplish is to get my ass beat the next time the cop sees me. Maybe thats your goal?
It does. The vehicles have every movement GPS tracked, and the status of their lights are constantly monitored. And the complaints can easily be filed anonymously; especially in this situation where there would be plenty of recorded evidence to back the complaint.
As I have mentioned, though, I have a job where I pull these GPS and status records for police departments (officers and their supervisors are not allowed to touch them). 9%%+ of complaints are frivolous; as in there is clear evidence that the car they are complaining about was not even in the location they claim much less doing the things the complainant says they were.
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Old 03-07-2015, 01:22 AM
 
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It does. The vehicles have every movement GPS tracked, and the status of their lights are constantly monitored. And the complaints can easily be filed anonymously; especially in this situation where there would be plenty of recorded evidence to back the complaint.
As I have mentioned, though, I have a job where I pull these GPS and status records for police departments (officers and their supervisors are not allowed to touch them). 9%%+ of complaints are frivolous; as in there is clear evidence that the car they are complaining about was not even in the location they claim much less doing the things the complainant says they were.
Prior to the Knapp Commission, which determined that essentially every single officer in the NYPD was corrupt (it was just a matter to what degree), essentially all citizen complaints against NYPD officers were dismissed as 'frivolous', too.

If frivolous complaints are such a major issue, then we should see cops rushing to adopt body cameras but in many places, we're seeing sentiments exactly the opposite from officers and unions. Objective accountability will fry 100 for every 1 it exonerates.
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Old 03-07-2015, 04:59 AM
 
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Yeah, like filing a complaint against a cop works.
No doubt it will work better than the stuff you are spinning here.

If you truly believe the nonsense that you have been posting here about the police, man up, get involved and do something to change it. Of course , that will bring a dose of reality that the problem isn't with the police.
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