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Old 03-03-2015, 07:22 PM
 
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Bibi is going to do what he thinks he has to do for the security of Israel. Whether he is actually right or wrong doesn't matter its what he believes in his mind. The problem is if he bombs Iran then it is the start of WW3. Or if the U.S. would intercept those Israeli jets and nock them out of the sky the never talked about war between the U.S. and Israel would commence. What do you think?
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Old 03-03-2015, 08:15 PM
 
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Bibi is going to do what he thinks he has to do for the security of Israel. Whether he is actually right or wrong doesn't matter its what he believes in his mind. The problem is if he bombs Iran then it is the start of WW3. Or if the U.S. would intercept those Israeli jets and nock them out of the sky the never talked about war between the U.S. and Israel would commence. What do you think?
I don't think Israel would bomb Iran. Politicians are liars, they're slimy, and they're terrible, but they are, at the very least, rational actors who, if nothing else, want to hold on to their power. I don't think anybody wants the disaster of WW3 (in which hydrogen-bomb-possessing powers US and Russia would line up on opposing sides) on their historical rap-sheet.

I also hope the U.S. and Israel don't go to war, either. I think, if that happened, Israel would nuke the U.S. over it before Russia would nuke the U.S. for meddling in Ukraine. They could just claim that anyone who didn't like being nuked by Israel was "anti-semitic."
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Old 03-03-2015, 09:13 PM
 
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Israel will do what it must.. That's.. Been demonstrated quite well in the past. And.. They have perhaps the best trained army on the planet. Plus, a population that is used to being attacked. What Israel believes it must do is prevent a country that refuses to acknowledge Israel's right to exist to have a nuclear weapon. Pretty hard to disagree with them.

The interesting thing.. I read something about this yesterday... The US's big plan is to limit Iran to 5000 centrifuges.. Which is just enough to build a nuclear bomb.. But not enough to run a nuclear power plant.

The odd reality of Iran's centrifuges: Enough for a bomb, not power | PunditFact

Israel will whip Iran in a war. Hands down. Remember.. Israel has US equipment.. Iran has alot of ancient Soviet era and Soviet built equipment.

Egypt will stay out of it.. They don't want a repeat of.. What was it? 1968?.. Saudi's will stay out of it.. Both might send out a lot of rhetoric.. But they will not be involved in a hot war. Iran will get alot of foreign fighters coming into the country.. They'll wind up with alot of dead foreign fighters in the country.
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Old 03-03-2015, 09:39 PM
 
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"if an agreement is reached with Iran will Israel bomb Iran"

An agreement only delays Iran from getting the bomb for ten years. And, that's if they abide by the agreement during the initial ten years. They won't, they never have before. Either way, Israel is going to have to do something. If they bomb Iran, it will not start WW3 because there are other countries in the area that don't want Iran to get the bomb either. They now have fly over permission and so on. WW3 will begin when Iran gets the bomb and all their neighbors rush to get one too. Or, when they bomb one of our vessels. I doubt Obama has the guts to down a plane from Israel.
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Old 03-03-2015, 09:47 PM
 
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Bibi is going to do what he thinks he has to do for the security of Israel. Whether he is actually right or wrong doesn't matter its what he believes in his mind. The problem is if he bombs Iran then it is the start of WW3. Or if the U.S. would intercept those Israeli jets and nock them out of the sky the never talked about war between the U.S. and Israel would commence. What do you think?
Nick, why don't you review this article:
Covert war against Iran's nuclear scientists: a widow remembers - CSMonitor.com

I think there is already a covert war going on and I think the USA and Israel are winning it. The assassination of 5 top scientists, the Stuxnet Virus, unexplained explosions - to me it all points toward a steady successful attempt to set Iran back. I am hopeful that this war will continue.


I do think that Obama truly dislikes Netanyahu, but that's a function of Obama's ideology. Obama views the US as fundamentally unfair to its citizens and views the US as creator of the world's problems.

During his speech, Netanyahu referenced a few major episodes where Israel took action by itself and he did so with the purpose of reminding everyone that Israel is a sovereign nation who will act in its own interests. And I say, "Good for him".

If Obama had embarrassed me by giving me that expressionless dead eye stare that he gave Netanyahu, I would do what I could to embarrass Obama. So good for Netanyahu. Obama has shown himself to be a light weight in the international arena, and got himself poked in the eye for it.

Here's an article with a picture of "the stare". It is playground stuff and I am embarrassed to have a President who engages in such activities.
Report: Obama Has Cut Intelligence Cooperation with Israel | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs
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Old 03-04-2015, 04:53 AM
 
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I think you would be reading a lot into President Obama's look, or stare, as you put it. I went, I saw, and that photo looks like someone listening intently to what someone else is saying.

I would think Heads of States are discussing something serious just by looking at that photo. Nothing more and nothing less. *shrugs*.

A nuclear war could destroy the entire planet. Sad to think so very many are ready to go meet their maker over something they cant or refuse to come to a peaceful agreement about. Isreal is right there in the middle of it all. How does it plan to miss out on the aftermath of radiation and fallout?
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Old 03-04-2015, 05:50 AM
 
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No. Look for more stuxnets, assassinations of Iranian scientists, sabotage of facilities, etc.
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Old 03-04-2015, 06:05 AM
 
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Egypt will stay out of it.. They don't want a repeat of.. What was it? 1968?.. Saudi's will stay out of it.. Both might send out a lot of rhetoric.. But they will not be involved in a hot war. Iran will get alot of foreign fighters coming into the country.. They'll wind up with alot of dead foreign fighters in the country.
Menachem Begin even said in '67 that there was no evidence Egypt actually planned to attack. The Israeli government, like the French and American governments, has long had a penchant for aggressive wars, and a great propaganda machine that can make them sounds defensive.
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Old 03-04-2015, 07:38 AM
 
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Bibi is going to do what he thinks he has to do for the security of Israel. Whether he is actually right or wrong doesn't matter its what he believes in his mind. The problem is if he bombs Iran then it is the start of WW3. Or if the U.S. would intercept those Israeli jets and nock them out of the sky the never talked about war between the U.S. and Israel would commence. What do you think?
I think all the prime minister is looking for is confirmation the U.S. will stay out of Israel's way when it does what it has to do and the U.S. leader doesn't have the stones to do. I just wonder how the U.S. would react if they were faced with the same situation as Israel.

The U.S. will not interfere militarily in any event but "could" interfere publicly/diplomatically. It'll be interesting to see where all this leads.
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Old 03-04-2015, 09:05 AM
 
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I think you would be reading a lot into President Obama's look, or stare, as you put it. I went, I saw, and that photo looks like someone listening intently to what someone else is saying.

I would think Heads of States are discussing something serious just by looking at that photo. Nothing more and nothing less. *shrugs*.

A nuclear war could destroy the entire planet. Sad to think so very many are ready to go meet their maker over something they cant or refuse to come to a peaceful agreement about. Isreal is right there in the middle of it all. How does it plan to miss out on the aftermath of radiation and fallout?
The photo is one thing, and the video is another. If someone looked at you the way Obama was looking at Netanyahu, you would not interpret it as "listening intently". If your sister was dating someone who looked at her that way, you would grab her by the arm and leave with her.

"How does it plan to miss out on the aftermath of radiation and fallout?"
It doesn't. That's the point. Israel is saying they will do whatever it takes to prevent nuclear war. Obama seems to be saying, "Iran won't really do that".
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