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Old 03-16-2015, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Mountain Home, ID
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By the way, Creflo Dollar and every other preacher/minister who is earning a salary (no matter how small) are a huge reason why I admire the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Mormon bishops don't earn any pay for their service (it's all done on a volunteer-basis) and even missionaries self-fund their trips. And, yet, the Mormon Church is an extremely fast-growing religion. If Mormon bishops/elders can spread their message and grow their church without a salary (forget about a private jet) and through spending their own money, Creflo can do the same.
The Mormon church has its own issues with money. Members are required to tithe 10% of their income. Church leaders have told the poorest and most destitute members they still need to pay the tithe.

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ďIf paying tithing means that you canít pay for water or electricity, pay tithing. If paying tithing means that you canít pay your rent, pay tithing. Even if paying tithing means that you donít have enough money to feed your family, pay tithing.Ē
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Old 03-16-2015, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, not Paris. #MAGA.
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The Mormon church has its own issues with money. Members are required to tithe 10% of their income. Church leaders have told the poorest and most destitute members they still need to pay the tithe.



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To be fair, I know more than a few LDS members who aren't tithing (or aren't tithing anywhere near 10% of their income) as they cannot afford to do so. There don't seem to be any membership consequences for not tithing 10% or tithing at all. Thus, its not a true requirement in that regard. More on this point: Why are Mormons asked to donate 10% of their income to their Church? | Mormon.org.

Moving on, the message/quote you posted seemed to be not about supporting/enriching the church (I'm sure the Mormon Church doesn't need the tithing of the poor of El Slavador to support its global operations), but to encourage a culture of looking out for others who are even less fortunate than you (I say its for Karma purposes). As the church is very generous in providing for those who are without (from the members who are tithing what they don't have to non-members, for instance: LDS Humanitarian Services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), I'm not sure I'm concerned with this practice. In short, the Mormon Church actually seems to be putting a great deal of that tithing to good, charitable uses, including providing resources/services to poorer members. Can't say the same about Dollar.

Now I'm sure the Mormon Church has legitimate problems (and I respect that you think that the tithing issue is a legitimate issue, though I disagree), but I don't think that this is one.

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Old 03-16-2015, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Everyone knows you "can petition God with prayer." Adding money for a fancy airplane apparently helps. I guess it also works for the LDS so they can build more buildings so God listens better?

In my opinion it is all delusion exploited by the preachers so they can live like royalty.

You cannot petition the universe with prayer. The best you can do is follow the rules. Sometimes a rule you did not know was being violated can get you anyway. That is called bad luck.
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Old 03-16-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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The Mormon church has its own issues with money. Members are required to tithe 10% of their income. Church leaders have told the poorest and most destitute members they still need to pay the tithe.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say they are "required." Mormons believe tithing is a commandment, not a suggestion, and yes, they believe in keeping God's commandments. Nobody is forced to pay tithing, and there are many in the Church who don't. The poorest and most destitute members, by the way, are taken care of by the Church in return. Donations from members who are financially better off are used specifically to care for the poor.
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Old 03-16-2015, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, not Paris. #MAGA.
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I'm not sure what you mean when you say they are "required." Mormons believe tithing is a commandment, not a suggestion, and yes, they believe in keeping God's commandments. Nobody is forced to pay tithing, and there are many in the Church who don't. The poorest and most destitute members, by the way, are taken care of by the Church in return. Donations from members who are financially better off are used specifically to care for the poor.
Thanks for sharing. I assume you're a church member? From personal knowledge (though not as a church member) I made a similar argument in a previous response, but didn't want to be as forceful as you are here as I didn't understand the entire picture.

Needless to say, I doubt Creflo Dollar's ministries are providing for the poor, of which its Atlanta-area home base has many, as the Mormon Church does.
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Old 03-16-2015, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County
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If people are dumb enough to give it then so be it.
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Old 03-16-2015, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Hialeah, Florida
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Thanks for sharing. I assume you're a church member? From personal knowledge (though not as a church member) I made a similar argument in a previous response, but didn't want to be as forceful as you are here as I didn't understand the entire picture.

Needless to say, I doubt Creflo Dollar's ministries are providing for the poor, of which its Atlanta-area home base has many, as the Mormon Church does.
Don't be mislead, the Mormons are just as sketchy as Creflo Dollar. Creflo Dollar is just the modern version of the scam artist that founded the Mormon Church.
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Old 03-16-2015, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, not Paris. #MAGA.
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If people are dumb enough to give it then so be it.
Ugh, I know, and that's how I feel at the end of the day. Still, I think its great to have such individuals exposed for who they truly are so that unsuspecting members on the public/potential worshipers are put on alert. If, after fully realizing the extent of the greed of the leadership of this ministry, people still want to donate to this foolishness, then so be it. I will continue to hold out hope, however, that such stories lead to reforms, where necessary, into the tax-exempt status that churches hold.
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Old 03-16-2015, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, not Paris. #MAGA.
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Don't be mislead, the Mormons are just as sketchy as Creflo Dollar. Creflo Dollar is just the modern version of the scam artist that founded the Mormon Church.
Though I respect your views on the matter, we will just have to disagree there.
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Old 03-16-2015, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Hialeah, Florida
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Though I respect your views on the matter, we will just have to disagree there.
We don't have to disagree, the historical record of Joey Smith demonstrates that he was a charlatan, just like Creflo Dollar.
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