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Old 04-17-2015, 04:59 PM
 
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New apartheid. Black people don't seem to want to live with well.... other Blacks.

South Africa immigrants create armed gangs and patrol the streets


Mean western civilization slowly disappears. Who would have have guessed?


Asking photographer not to takes photos.
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Old 04-17-2015, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Westside Houston
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For a minute there, I thought it was Ferguson.
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Old 04-17-2015, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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How exactly is this "apartheid" when the South Africans and immigrants they're targeting are all blacks?

More importantly, how is the xenophobia exhibited by South Africans all that much different, except in the degree of violence, than xenophobia in the US?
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Old 04-17-2015, 05:25 PM
 
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Is it just me... or are the hatchets and machetes ten-times more frightening than a pistol?

Whatever the heck is going on over there in Africa, keep it there...along with the stone-aged cutlery and the "Chop,chop, you dead!" mentality.
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Old 04-17-2015, 05:33 PM
 
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"Angry South Africans accuse immigrants of taking jobs in a country where unemployment and poverty levels are high - the official figure is 25 per cent but economists say, in reality, it is much higher."


With actual unemployment what it is here in the US, its a wonder our streets dont look more like those photos.

That poor immigrant baby's photo is very touching. It's no wonder Trevor Noah is such a funny guy. You would have to have a great sense of humor to even try to make sense of the world these days.
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Old 04-17-2015, 06:41 PM
 
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How exactly is this "apartheid" when the South Africans and immigrants they're targeting are all blacks?

More importantly, how is the xenophobia exhibited by South Africans all that much different, except in the degree of violence, than xenophobia in the US?

"Apartheid (Afrikaans pronunciation: [ɐˈpartɦɛit]; an Afrikaans word meaning "the state of being apart""

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...91071109,d.cGU


Essentially it is Apartheid, just not the kind some people think is worthy of notice.

Apparently, like everything else, the term Apartheid can evolve or must we stick with a single definition.

In that case, lets review the words like "Gay" "Bad" and many others that have changed to meet new developments in human societies.

Then to the more importantly comment. You are right, blacks seems to deal brutally with other blacks in both the USA and South Africa. One of the differences is that instead of hacking each other to death, in the USA they might drive by and shoot each other while in South Africa they go for the more personal message.
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:05 AM
 
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There is tribal conflict and tribal genocide all over Africa- this has been going on for hundreds of years, maybe thousands.

A few examples: Sudan, Somalia, Rwanda, Congo (or Democratic Republic of Congo), Angola, Zimbabwe, Liberia, Burundi, Ivory Coast, Algeria, Libya, Kenya, Togo.
There often is a link between an African country run by a dictator who changes the constitution to allow himself to stay in power, often gains great wealth by illegal means, viciously represses opposition and the news media, and rigs elections. For examples: Obiang Nguema, Mugabe, al-Bashir, Charles Taylor, Milton Obote, Idi Amin.

I really wonder if the idea and institutions of democracy which evolved over a couple of thousand years in Europe can be expected to work in a totally different situation after a hundred years or so of colonial occupation.
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:11 AM
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What happened at the five points when immigrants came to the US? That's what I thought.
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:48 AM
 
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Gee, who didn't see this coming with the end of Apartheid. I'm just surprised they haven't started using the Mandela necklace (drop a tire over a person, douse them in gasoline, light them on fire). They could also bring back another dark side of African history, the "long sleeve or short sleeve" question.
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Old 04-19-2015, 10:28 AM
 
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"Apartheid (Afrikaans pronunciation: [ɐˈpartɦɛit]; an Afrikaans word meaning "the state of being apart""

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...91071109,d.cGU


Essentially it is Apartheid, just not the kind some people think is worthy of notice.

Apparently, like everything else, the term Apartheid can evolve or must we stick with a single definition.

In that case, lets review the words like "Gay" "Bad" and many others that have changed to meet new developments in human societies.

Then to the more importantly comment. You are right, blacks seems to deal brutally with other blacks in both the USA and South Africa. One of the differences is that instead of hacking each other to death, in the USA they might drive by and shoot each other while in South Africa they go for the more personal message.
It's not apartheid, which is the segregation of a society based on race by law. The article you cited even says that in its first section. Your use of only the general definition from the Afrikaans outside its context is disingenuous.

As for blacks being "more brutal" to other blacks, that's nonsense. Ordinary blacks are no more violent towards their fellows than anybody of any other race. Violent criminals, though, especially when organized into gangs or crime organizations, tend to be brutal to rivals and/or anyone else who threatens them. The drug cartels in Mexico and the Mafia in Italy have killed Mexican and Italian officials to an unprecedented degree, and the various organized crime organizations in the US, be they Sicilian or Columbian or black or Russian or Chinese, have been notorious for the violence they visit on their rivals for well over a century.
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