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Old 07-03-2015, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Originally Posted by MJJersey View Post
He is correct to the extent that the government should not coerce things into people's bodies. Vaccinations should be between parents and doctors, not the government.
No, it's not just between parents and doctors. If you don't want to immunize yours kids, fine. But keep them away from other kids whose parents want to immunize their kids but can't because the kids are too young or have compromised immune systems. Mingling these kids with more numbers of non-vacced kids increases the risk of making them sick.

We don't live in an isolated society. What one person does effects another. If people want to skip the vaccine and isolate their kids, fine, let Carrey start a school for them where they can not potentially harm others.

The government is trying to prevent a measles or polio epidemic. I doubt that Jim Carrey has ever seen one. I am old enough to have lived through more than one of both of them. It isn't pretty.

 
Old 07-03-2015, 02:39 PM
 
Location: BC, Arizona
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So you don't think she should make any money? ok. But again, she started this due to her son being injured by a vaccine. I'm sure she'd trade his health problems that he got from the vaccine injury for the career any day. I often think that people focus too much on autism and vaccines. That is not the only reason why people avoid vaccines.

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You think that anyone and everyone can homeschool. That's absurd.
The anti-vax movement used to focus on autism, until the entirety of their rationale was completely debunked, mothers with sick kids want someone to blame for their kid being sick, even when the overwhelming evidence supports genetics.

It's clear you're "tired of science" - it's so pesky when hundreds of peer reviewed studies by immunologists contradict an anti-vaxxers "spidey sense" on health issues.

Personally, I HOPE nobody homeschools to avoid vaccines because it means everyone gets vaccinated and is likely to not fall ill. That's just me. I also think that a good dose of science class would benefit those kids being raised with parents who don't believe in it.
 
Old 07-03-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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The anti-vax movement used to focus on autism, until the entirety of their rationale was completely debunked, mothers with sick kids want someone to blame for their kid being sick, even when the overwhelming evidence supports genetics.

It's clear you're "tired of science" - it's so pesky when hundreds of peer reviewed studies by immunologists contradict an anti-vaxxers "spidey sense" on health issues.

Personally, I HOPE nobody homeschools to avoid vaccines because it means everyone gets vaccinated and is likely to not fall ill. That's just me. I also think that a good dose of science class would benefit those kids being raised with parents who don't believe in it.
Another one who does not know what science is and who uses and abuses the term to fit an agenda.

Personally, I hope more and more people homeschool and the state loses school funding due to dwindling numbers. I hope that people are able to do what they wish their bodies and not be forced into vaccinating if they do not want to.

Last edited by MissTerri; 07-03-2015 at 03:30 PM..
 
Old 07-03-2015, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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Originally Posted by tlvancouver View Post
The anti-vax movement used to focus on autism, until the entirety of their rationale was completely debunked, mothers with sick kids want someone to blame for their kid being sick, even when the overwhelming evidence supports genetics.

It's clear you're "tired of science" - it's so pesky when hundreds of peer reviewed studies by immunologists contradict an anti-vaxxers "spidey sense" on health issues.

Personally, I HOPE nobody homeschools to avoid vaccines because it means everyone gets vaccinated and is likely to not fall ill. That's just me. I also think that a good dose of science class would benefit those kids being raised with parents who don't believe in it.
If we are still in CA when we have school aged kids (hopefully not), we'll have to home school. We aren't anti-vaccine but are anti-certain vaccines and anti-government mandating things they have no business mandating. This legislation is going to force people who are opposed to only certain vaccines to home school, even if they don't want to. It will force a parent to not work, even if that money (especially in such an expensive state) is vitally important for the family. It will force families who really shouldn't be home schooling to home school. It is not good legislation, no matter what the rabid pro-vaccination at all cost crowd wants to say.
 
Old 07-03-2015, 02:53 PM
 
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If we are still in CA when we have school aged kids (hopefully not), we'll have to home school. We aren't anti-vaccine but are anti-certain vaccines and anti-government mandating things they have no business mandating. This legislation is going to force people who are opposed to only certain vaccines to home school, even if they don't want to. It will force a parent to not work, even if that money (especially in such an expensive state) is vitally important for the family. It will force families who really shouldn't be home schooling to home school. It is not good legislation, no matter what the rabid pro-vaccination at all cost crowd wants to say.
So true. It's terrible legislation and there will be backlash.
 
Old 07-03-2015, 03:05 PM
 
Location: BC, Arizona
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Originally Posted by psr13 View Post
If we are still in CA when we have school aged kids (hopefully not), we'll have to home school. We aren't anti-vaccine but are anti-certain vaccines and anti-government mandating things they have no business mandating. This legislation is going to force people who are opposed to only certain vaccines to home school, even if they don't want to. It will force a parent to not work, even if that money (especially in such an expensive state) is vitally important for the family. It will force families who really shouldn't be home schooling to home school. It is not good legislation, no matter what the rabid pro-vaccination at all cost crowd wants to say.
I have no sympathy for this. None.

Vaccinate your kid, save them from life threatening illnesses, do your part to protect society's most vulnerable and send your kid to school to connect with their peers. My hope is that other jurisdictions do the same.

Every piece of evidence points to the benefits being exponentially greater than any risk, and if you're not willing to do it, your child is lucky the government has mandates.
 
Old 07-03-2015, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Subconscious Syncope, USA (Northeastern US)
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Originally Posted by tlvancouver View Post
The anti-vax movement used to focus on autism, until the entirety of their rationale was completely debunked, mothers with sick kids want someone to blame for their kid being sick, even when the overwhelming evidence supports genetics.

It's clear you're "tired of science" - it's so pesky when hundreds of peer reviewed studies by immunologists contradict an anti-vaxxers "spidey sense" on health issues.

Personally, I HOPE nobody homeschools to avoid vaccines because it means everyone gets vaccinated and is likely to not fall ill. That's just me. I also think that a good dose of science class would benefit those kids being raised with parents who don't believe in it.
For someone that wanted the thread closed, you have a way of saying things that make debate rehashing upspring again.

Katrina so far win is winning on the how to talk to and educate people score - by a long shot. Maybe some folks should be quiet, and just ler Katrina talk?

Maybe they could learn something from her.
 
Old 07-03-2015, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Originally Posted by believe007 View Post
I'm just gonna bounce in here w/ my take....
I bet that only a few of you even read what he said

Here's a few excerpts......


I am not anti-vaccine. I am anti-thimerosal, anti-mercury. They have taken some of the mercury laden thimerosal out of vaccines. NOT ALL!

The CDC can't solve a problem they helped start. It's too risky to admit they have been wrong about mercury/thimerasol. They are corrupt

I am PRO-VACCINE/ANTI-NEUROTOXIN, Get that straight


Now onto the masses attacking the voice of reason-
And yes, surprisingly this time it is Jim Carrey

Btw, on the actual link it says California is forcing this vaccination program on people,
& if they object they can homeschool........

Score for homeschoolers!
Speaking of homeschooling... What if all the unvaccinated kids were taken out of public school. Considering the huge reaction in Cali, I suppose it's a possibility. Could the school districts take that kind of financial hit?

Could this actually backfire on the public school system?
 
Old 07-03-2015, 04:21 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Scary. As someone who also takes powerful immunosuppressants, I was very anxious during this most recent outbreak. It appears I had good reason to be.
 
Old 07-03-2015, 04:24 PM
 
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Speaking of homeschooling... What if all the unvaccinated kids were taken out of public school. Considering the huge reaction in Cali, I suppose it's a possibility. Could the school districts take that kind of financial hit?

Could this actually backfire on the public school system?
I sure hope so.
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