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Old 07-08-2015, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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She did treat the strep. She treated it with herbs, many of which are antiviral (garlic is one example) rather then with antibiotics.
That is very dangerous. You and she should look up scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, and glomerulonehritis, all complications of untreated strep. Antivirals will do nothing for bacteria.

 
Old 07-08-2015, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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That is very dangerous. You and she should look up scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, and glomerulonehritis, all complications of untreated strep. Antivirals will do nothing for bacteria.
Apparently you missed the subsequent posts. Treating strep throat naturally IS treating it. IOW it is not untreated strep.
 
Old 07-08-2015, 03:32 PM
 
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They are deemed safe because they are "have not been viewed as inherently toxic."
Actually, they are deemed safe because they have been safely used for decades. A small minority will have adverse reactions to EVERY medication. In the grand scheme of medications, vaccines are very safe.

And, yes, there have been studies that found no link.

New study finds no link between MMR vaccine and autism - CNN.com

http://www.autismsciencefoundation.o...dvaccines.html

https://www.autismspeaks.org/science...accinated-kids
 
Old 07-08-2015, 03:36 PM
 
Location: BC, Arizona
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She did treat the strep. She treated it with herbs, many of which are antiviral (garlic is one example) rather then with antibiotics.
OMG! You mean you'd expose your special snowflake to diallyl disulfide, allylpropyl disulfide, and allicin? Those are poisonous!!!

( They're also compounds in garlic, which some of the same "out there" naturopaths and "diet as medicine" flakes consider toxic).

Google garlic toxicity
Garlic Toxicity

It's hard not to get caught in your own pseudo-science net sometimes.

[Take this post with a heavy dose of both garlic and sarcasm - I am not saying stay away from garlic, just mocking those that seem to view long tricky to pronounce names as evil science/ pharmaceuticals, while hailing "natural" as risk free]
 
Old 07-08-2015, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Apparently you missed the subsequent posts. Treating strep throat naturally IS treating it. IOW it is not untreated strep.
Treating it with woo, yeah. That is not the appropriate treatment. It IS essentially untreated strep.

Last edited by Katarina Witt; 07-08-2015 at 04:28 PM..
 
Old 07-08-2015, 04:26 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Jim Henson of Muppets fame died of Streptococcal Toxic Shock Syndrome after ignoring a sore throat. For goodness sake, folks, garlic is not an appropriate treatment for strep. Any sore throat lasting more than a few days should be checked by a medical professional, cultured, and, if strep, treated with antibiotics.
 
Old 07-08-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Treating it with woo, yeag. That is not the appropriate treatment. It IS essentially untreated strep.
Whether you agree with the treatment or not, it is appropriate and has been used for thousands of years.

"While garlic is a common flavoring in food, some scientists have suggested that it might have a role as a food additive to prevent food poisoning. There is some evidence that fresh garlic, but not aged garlic, can kill certain bacteria such as E. coli, antibiotic-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, and Salmonella enteritidis in the laboratory.
How does it work?
Garlic produces a chemical called allicin. This is what seems to make garlic work for certain conditions. Allicin also makes garlic smell. Some products are made “odorless” by aging the garlic, but this process can also make the garlic less effective. It’s a good idea to look for supplements that are coated (enteric coating) so they will dissolve in the intestine and not in the stomach."
Source: garlic: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions and Warnings - WebMD
 
Old 07-08-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Apparently you missed the subsequent posts. Treating strep throat naturally IS treating it. IOW it is not untreated strep.
Treating it with woo, yeah. That is not the appropriate treatment. It IS essentially untreated strep.
 
Old 07-08-2015, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Jim Henson of Muppets fame died of Streptococcal Toxic Shock Syndrome after ignoring a sore throat. For goodness sake, folks, garlic is not an appropriate treatment for strep. Any sore throat lasting more than a few days should be checked by a medical professional, cultured, and, if strep, treated with antibiotics.
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Whether you agree with the treatment or not, it is appropriate and has been used for thousands of years.

"While garlic is a common flavoring in food, some scientists have suggested that it might have a role as a food additive to prevent food poisoning. There is some evidence that fresh garlic, but not aged garlic, can kill certain bacteria such as E. coli, antibiotic-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, and Salmonella enteritidis in the laboratory.
How does it work?
Garlic produces a chemical called allicin. This is what seems to make garlic work for certain conditions. Allicin also makes garlic smell. Some products are made “odorless” by aging the garlic, but this process can also make the garlic less effective. It’s a good idea to look for supplements that are coated (enteric coating) so they will dissolve in the intestine and not in the stomach."
Source: garlic: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions and Warnings - WebMD
Garlic is an appropriate treatment and guess who recommended it? A doctor.

Back to the topic of the thread?
 
Old 07-08-2015, 04:34 PM
 
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Yes there are more vaccines now, science is a pretty nifty thing when it comes to saving lives.
Yup, and our children and infants are getting sicker, and sicker, and sicker with each added vaccine to the schedule.
How many of these truly wonderful [not] vaccines have you availed yourself of.
I mean they're just soooo nifty. Why not get them all, I'm pretty sure you could get them all at once if you really wanted.
Just think how healthy and protected you'd be.
Vaccines have damaged and destroyed multitudes of young lives...You gotta be blind to think that amount of vaccines (the poster i posted) is OK. How many did you have as a child...was it that many?
It's not vaccines (immune system disablers) that have stopped disease and kept it at bay...it's clean water, clean food, antiseptics and hygeine that saves and protects lives.
Vaccines just ruin lives.
Unlike you, I'll hold off on the insults.
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