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This is something I was wondering about. Interesting graphic, but I wish it actually gave us some numbers. The first graphic was based on 80% vac rate, and we see a LOT of red dots (measles cases) as the epidemic spreads. I'd love to know what percent of the unvaccinated people got the measles.
I have wondered, if vac rates got low enough that outbreaks of disease became huge, at that point would any of you opponents of vac mandates feel differently? Or perhaps would you choose to keep your kids home from school (and all other public places) until the epidemic subsided? Would personally knowing children who died or had serious complications from one of these diseases affect how you proceeded with your own children? (In terms of, would you get them vaccinated, or just keep them away from all people outside of your own home, or just carry on as usual and take your chances?)
This is something I was wondering about. Interesting graphic, but I wish it actually gave us some numbers. The first graphic was based on 80% vac rate, and we see a LOT of red dots (measles cases) as the epidemic spreads. I'd love to know what percent of the unvaccinated people got the measles.
I have wondered, if vac rates got low enough that outbreaks of disease became huge, at that point would any of you opponents of vac mandates feel differently? Or perhaps would you choose to keep your kids home from school (and all other public places) until the epidemic subsided? Would personally knowing children who died or had serious complications from one of these diseases affect how you proceeded with your own children? (In terms of, would you get them vaccinated, or just keep them away from all people outside of your own home, or just carry on as usual and take your chances?)
Unvaccinated kids can't come to school if there is an outbreak. I don't have any problem with that rule.
However, your choice not to vaccinate can make someone else sick, including an infant too young to be vaccinated.
If your unvaccinated child gets a baby sick who would have been vaccinated at the appropriate time, your choice not to vaccinate your child has preempted that baby's parents' choice to vaccinate.
When you figure out a way to keep unvaccinated children from passing vaccine preventable disease to other families, let us know.
Because it is not adults who suffer most from those diseases. Wherever did you get that weird idea?
So far, the evidence is that shingles after the vaccine occurs at a lower rate than after the wild virus and is milder when it does happen, with less chance of permanent pain afterwards.
Because vaccines do not always work, there are babies too young to be vaccinated, and there are people with weakened immune systems who are vulnerable to these diseases even if they have been vaccinated, like the woman who recently died from measles here in the US.
Your choice not to vaccinate affects the rest of us. We've decided to take measures to reduce the risk not vaccinating creates.
Hepatitis A and B are potentially eradicable because they have no natural non-human hosts.
Influenza is not eradicable because it mutates so readily and has non-human reservoirs. That's why you see references to bird flu and swine flu.
Human papillomavirus is an interesting question. There is a fairly large number of strains, but with effort we could probably knock out those most commonly associated with cancer. By extension, that would mean eradicating a bunch of cancers, too, including cervical cancer.
For the most part.. we are vaccinating against CHILDHOOD diseases. These are harmful to adults. Let the adults be the ones vaccinated then. HPV is so common that they cannot determine which (or if) a strain will cause cancer.
I remember having chicken pox and it was not a big deal at all. In childhood it usually isn't. It's dangerous as people get older. Adults who have had chicken pox benefit from being exposed to children with chicken pox due to the immune boost that they gain which in turn help to suppress shingles outbreaks. Chicken pox vaccination is not routine everywhere.
Anti-vaxers always seem to get milder disease and assume it's like that for everyone.
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Originally Posted by kayanne
This is something I was wondering about. Interesting graphic, but I wish it actually gave us some numbers. The first graphic was based on 80% vac rate, and we see a LOT of red dots (measles cases) as the epidemic spreads. I'd love to know what percent of the unvaccinated people got the measles.
I have wondered, if vac rates got low enough that outbreaks of disease became huge, at that point would any of you opponents of vac mandates feel differently? Or perhaps would you choose to keep your kids home from school (and all other public places) until the epidemic subsided? Would personally knowing children who died or had serious complications from one of these diseases affect how you proceeded with your own children? (In terms of, would you get them vaccinated, or just keep them away from all people outside of your own home, or just carry on as usual and take your chances?)
Always something wrong with the info for anti-vaxers. Plenty of other info out there if you care to look for it.
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Unvaccinated kids can't come to school if there is an outbreak. I don't have any problem with that rule.
But they can be Patient Zero in a school outbreak. And they're contagious for days before they have symptoms, four days with measles. Can spread a lot of measles in four days. Then they get diagnosed and all the other unvaxed have to stay home. Kind of like locking the barn door after the horse is out.
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Ok, that makes sense. What about my other questions? I'm genuinely interested.
No it doesn't make sense. See above.
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. The science is clear. Vaccinate your kids 
