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Old 07-14-2015, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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I disagree. Considering how highly recommended and promoted vaccines are, and how many people are vaccinated especially as children, children who are NOT vaccinated by choice are the minority. You should not have to cater to the minority. A child who is at risk to develop measles, or something, even if vaccinated, because of a medical problem or illness should not have to leave school because a kid whose parent chose to not vaccinate him enters class.

I'm not sure why the flu vaccine isn't included. The flu though is different than something like measles or pertussis because it mutates so much by year. Each year a new vaccine is developed, and it's predictive, meaning the researchers and scientists have to predict which strains will be most prevalent a year in advance and base the vaccine off that, so it varies in effectiveness each year. This year it was not that effective, compared to other years, because a strain that wasn't predicted then protected by the vaccine was dominant, so lots of people who were vaccinated got the flu anyway. I think it was only ⅔ effective or something like that. You don't see low effectiveness rates like that for the required vaccinations, when so almost no one gets the illness despite being vaccinated, where that is extremely rare. So unlike the core childhood vaccinations, the flu vaccine varies in effectiveness so that could explain it.
I 100% agree with the 1st part of your bolded statement, "children who are NOT vaccinated by choice are the minority. You should not have to cater to the minority.

But I find it interesting you say this/conclude that this minority should be catered too: "A child who is at risk to develop measles, or something, even if vaccinated, because of a medical problem or illness should not have to leave school because a kid whose parent chose to not vaccinate him enters class."

Those people are in the minority too so it would be logical to conclude this minority shouldn't be catered too either.

 
Old 07-14-2015, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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Old 07-14-2015, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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The anti-vaxers continue to kill children.

Measles Is Just The Start: Whooping Cough Outbreaks -- And Deaths -- Are Rising, Too - Forbes
 
Old 07-14-2015, 06:54 AM
 
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Again, Tdap has only been around since 2005. Have you gotten this new Pertussis booster yourself in the last 10 years? If you were vaccinated for whooping cough as a child and not since, you could get whooping cough and pass it on.
 
Old 07-14-2015, 07:11 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Given most kids can tolerate vaccines well, perhaps the small minority of kids that have serious things going on with their immune system should be finding other methods of schooling and other ways to work around public areas if they are in that much danger of catching something serious. After all, aside from school, those kids are probably kept away from lots of other public areas by smart/concerned parents if their immune system is that fragile. A flu is just as serious to such a person and just as/more likely to happen to them yet I don't see a flu vaccine being required as part of this CA law to attend public school. Interesting.
In point of fact, most do just that until their immune systems are back up to a level where it's safe to go back in public. They return to school under the premise that school is safe for them. With the number of unvaxed up, and therefore potential disease up, that presumption is being eroded.

Requiring flu vaccine would be a great idea public health wise. However, it would likely create a firestorm. I don't know what you think it "interesting". Maybe you could elaborate.
 
Old 07-14-2015, 07:12 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I 100% agree with the 1st part of your bolded statement, "children who are NOT vaccinated by choice are the minority. You should not have to cater to the minority.

But I find it interesting you say this/conclude that this minority should be catered too: "A child who is at risk to develop measles, or something, even if vaccinated, because of a medical problem or illness should not have to leave school because a kid whose parent chose to not vaccinate him enters class."

Those people are in the minority too so it would be logical to conclude this minority shouldn't be catered too either.
Libertarians seem not to care about the vulnerable in society.
 
Old 07-14-2015, 07:23 AM
 
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Do you not get that these kids are contagious, ie spreading disease, before they have the fever or are feeling sick?
Vaccinated kids can also have VPD and spread it before symptoms. There is no way to completely eliminate the risk. Not even with 100% vaccination rates.
 
Old 07-14-2015, 07:39 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Vaccinated kids can also have VPD and spread it before symptoms. There is no way to completely eliminate the risk. Not even with 100% vaccination rates.
The risk of a vaccinated child having a VPD that s/he is vaccinated for is FAR less than that of an unvaccinated child having the same disease.
 
Old 07-14-2015, 07:46 AM
 
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The risk of a vaccinated child having a VPD that s/he is vaccinated for is FAR less than that of an unvaccinated child having the same disease.
Which is why vaccinated kids aren't sent home in the event of an outbreak but there still are vaccinated kids who can and will spread VPD and some of them will do so prior to symptoms. It's just not realistic that schools will ever be 100% risk free when it comes to VPD. The elimination of all exemptions other then medical (which are difficult to get) is not going to eliminate risk. It is an over reaction on the part of the state. The benefit of eliminating exemptions does not outweigh the risk of giving up our right as parents to decide. We'll never agree. Clearly.
 
Old 07-14-2015, 08:01 AM
 
Location: BC, Arizona
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Kayanne, I can see how earnest you are, and would ask that you take a look at the last 15 or so posts.

How would you handle these two most recent statements by the anti-vax crowd:

There's too many vaccines for kids/why bother vaccinating since we don't vaccinate for every single thing...
Why should my unvaccinated kid not be able to choose to come to school - keep your child with cancer (even as she/he is recovering) home

As you've acknowledged, missterri Steve and Jo would vaccinate if measles came back. If they'd rather die than vaccinate (which is what 2/3 said) then what would "convince them to change their mind". They just hide in the herd and ironically until the whacky anti-vax logic gained some traction that worked.

As with the measles outbreak, the only thing more effective than legislation is a good old pandemic.
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