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Old 07-29-2015, 05:11 PM
 
Location: BC, Arizona
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Originally Posted by Jo48 View Post
Ah, but you will never know if you will meet these unvaccinated homeschooled children out in society. Is DISNEY banning unvaccinated children or adults from their park?

You are living in a dream world. Well, if it makes you sleep better at night thinking you are now SAFE.
Increased safety is... wait for it... safer.

 
Old 07-29-2015, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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We've only told you about five thousand times. The problem is, if you're going to be so obstinate and close-minded about just this, getting a real biologist or an epidemiologist to explain it to you in detail is going to go right over the top of your head because you know nothing whatsoever about science and you aren't going to understand or believe that either.

If you ask a question and get the same answer over and over from different people, the same answer you can check from legitimate sources and doctors online and from your own doctor, and you still ask the same question because you don't believe the answer, well, what can anyone do to help you? Besides nothing?

How you function in real life is beyond me. And you're trying to raise kids? That's scary.




Until your kid dies from a preventable disease.
You don't seem to understand. The dictionary (unlike the CDC) defines the word "infect" as: to cause (someone or something) to become sick or affected by disease
You can verify it HERE.

You know what "affect" means, right?

By definition, vaccination is an "exposure" not an "infection." You are exposing the body to the pathogen without infection. The immune system kicks in before the exposure becomes an infection. The same thing can and does happen when a person is exposed to the pathogen from an infected person. They don't get sick and are not infected because their immune system did not allow the pathogen to persist.

It's really not that hard to understand. Immunity from vaccination (exposure to pathogen) is the same as being exposed to the pathogen without symptoms (being affected).
 
Old 07-29-2015, 06:21 PM
 
Location: BC, Arizona
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You don't seem to understand. The dictionary (unlike the CDC) defines the word "infect" as: to cause (someone or something) to become sick or affected by disease
You can verify it HERE.

You know what "affect" means, right?

By definition, vaccination is an "exposure" not an "infection." You are exposing the body to the pathogen without infection. The immune system kicks in before the exposure becomes an infection. The same thing can and does happen when a person is exposed to the pathogen from an infected person. They don't get sick and are not infected because their immune system did not allow the pathogen to persist.

It's really not that hard to understand. Immunity from vaccination (exposure to pathogen) is the same as being exposed to the pathogen without symptoms (being affected).
Except it doesn't and isn't. Pesky science. Using big words doesn't make fiction into fact.
 
Old 07-29-2015, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Except it doesn't and isn't. Pesky science. Using big words doesn't make fiction into fact.
Being the CDC doesn't make definitions change... or does it?
 
Old 07-29-2015, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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I wish more people would watch this (NSFW Language).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhk7-5eBCrs
 
Old 07-29-2015, 07:25 PM
 
Location: BC, Arizona
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Being the CDC doesn't make definitions change... or does it?
You're right, why would we consider the Centre for Disease Control an expert on diseases?
 
Old 07-29-2015, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Being the CDC doesn't make definitions change... or does it?
Words used scientifically can and do have specific meanings. Anyone who has studied science should know that.

Webster's dictionary might say that eliminate and eradicate are synonyms. However, when an infectious disease expert uses those words, eliminated means an infectious disease no longer is found in a specific geographic location without being imported. The disease is no longer endemic (the wild organism still can be found in some people) in that area. A disease is eradicated when it can no longer be found in the wild anywhere in the world. So far, two infectious diseases have been eradicated: Smallpox and rinderpest. We are working on eradication of polio.

The scientific definition of infection, as given to you before:

Infection definition - MedicineNet - Health and Medical Information Produced by Doctors

"Infection: The invasion and multiplication of microorganisms such as bacteria, viruses, and parasites that are not normally present within the body. An infection may cause no symptoms and be subclinical, or it may cause symptoms and be clinically apparent. An infection may remain localized, or it may spread through the blood or lymphatic vessels to become systemic (bodywide). Microorganisms that live naturally in the body are not considered infections. For example, bacteria that normally live within the mouth and intestine are not infections."

Epidemiology - Medical Microbiology - NCBI Bookshelf

"Infection is the replication of organisms in the tissue of a host; when defined in terms of infection, disease is overt clinical manifestation. In an inapparent (subclinical) infection, an immune response can occur without overt clinical disease. A carrier (colonized individual) is a person in whom organisms are present and may be multiplying, but who shows no clinical response to their presence. The carrier state may be permanent, with the organism always present; intermittent, with the organism present for various periods; or temporary, with carriage for only a brief period."

"The infecting dose (the number of organisms necessary to cause disease) varies according to the organism, method of transmission, site of entrance of the organism into the host, host defenses, and host species."

Vaccination may involve actual infection with a weakened organism with limited ability to multiply. It may also be accomplished by introducing dead organisms or only specific proteins from an organism. Any of those three processes can produce immunity.

Infection with a wild organism also can produce immunity. Sometimes that infection may cause no symptoms - it is asymptomatic - but it is still an infection. The organism has to get into the body where the immune system can recognize it.

Merely being exposed to someone else who is infected with an organism does not guarantee that everyone who is exposed will catch it. About 90% of susceptible people exposed to measles will catch it. If you do not catch it and become infected yourself, you will not develop immunity to it.
 
Old 07-29-2015, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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...snip...

Merely being exposed to someone else who is infected with an organism does not guarantee that everyone who is exposed will catch it. About 90% of susceptible people exposed to measles will catch it. If you do not catch it and become infected yourself, you will not develop immunity to it.
Yet this is not proven scientifically... yet you continue to claim it... WHY?
 
Old 07-29-2015, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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I wish more people would watch this (NSFW Language).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhk7-5eBCrs
So we should believe these actors but not other actors?
 
Old 07-29-2015, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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So we should believe these actors but not other actors?
No, but the quit your bull **** logic makes perfect sense to anyone with functioning brain cells and a basic understanding of science.

P&T aren't claiming to hold any scientific knowledge, just pointing out facts, plain and simple. Unlike Jenny Mcbimbo.
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