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Old 07-30-2015, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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How do you think a school could be held liable for a child contracting HPV? Kids are not supposed to be having sex at school. Liability is not a concern.
Maybe the school in question has "advanced sex ed" where examples are welcome?

 
Old 07-30-2015, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Routine Pap smears are highly effective in detecting precancerous changes to the cervical cells thus preventing cervical cancer. It is your choice to get the vaccine or not. However, this should not be tied to the right to attend public school since it is not something that can be spread via casual contact in the classroom. Serious complications have been reported and do exists from this vaccination. It is not risk free.

We should be educating our children on the importance of routine pap smears.
What documented serious concerns are there for the HPV vaccine? Not just internet anecdotes from parents desperately searching for something to blame a child's illness on, real documented serious adverse effects?

The fact is that people who can actually do a rational comparison of risks and benefits of vaccines are deciding to no longer coddle parents who cannot do so.

Rhode Island mandates HPV vaccine for seventh-graders | WPRI 12 Eyewitness News

"Tricia Washburn, chief of the office of immunization for the Rhode Island Department of Health, said the Centers for Disease Control found no safety concerns with the vaccine.

'The bottom line is that HPV is the most sexually transmitted disease in the U.S.' she said. 'We are interested in protecting the public health. We feel it shouldn’t be treated any differently than any of the other vaccines recommended by the CDC.'

She said the Department of Health mandated the vaccine, unlike most states, because Rhode Island incorporates all CDC-recommended vaccines into the state’s school immunization regulations.

Rhode Island joins Virginia and Washington, D.C. in requiring the vaccine."

Women who have had the vaccine will still need to be screened because no vaccine is perfect. The test that will be used more and more, though, is one for HPV itself, not the traditional pap smear. Such tests look for the genetic material of the HPV, not abnormal cellular changes of pre-cancer. Women who test positive for high risk HPV can then be followed up with additional testing.

FDA approves first human papillomavirus test for primary cervical cancer screening

Women who are vaccinated against the strains picked up by the HPV test will be very unlikely to have either a positive HPV test or an abnormal Pap smear. They also will be highly unlikely to develop cervical cancer.
 
Old 07-30-2015, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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It is your opinion that the biopsy is riskier then the vaccine. Approximately six percent of women who receive Pap tests are referred for additional testing or treatment based on abnormal results. It's a pretty small risk if you ask me and one that people should be allowed to take.
It's a fact that a biopsy is riskier than the vaccine. One common biopsy procedure, LEEP, has a 1 to 2% complication rate.

Far more than 6% of Pap smears result in additional testing. The lifetime risk of a woman having an abnormal Pap is about 1 in 4.

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We are talking about precancerous changes, not true cervical cancer. Cervical cancer is very slow growing and can and is caught with routine paps.

These are the risk factors involved in true cervical cancer. HPV is one. The vaccine does not prevent all strains. True cervical cancer is very rare in women who receive routine pap smears.

HPV infection
Lack of regular Pap tests
Weakened immune system
Age over 40
Sexual history—many partners or partner with many partners
Smoking cigarettes
Using birth control pills for five or more years
Having many children
Diethylstilbestrol (DES) exposure
Risk factors are not the same as causes.

Not doing a Pap will not cause cancer. It just means the opportunity to diagnose pre-cancer and treat it was lost.

A weakened immune system does not cause cervical cancer. It does make someone more susceptible to persistent high risk HPV infection.

Age over 40 just reflects the fact that cervical cancer may take years to develop - though not always. It also often reflects greater sexual experience (more partners) and more opportunity to acquire a high risk strain of HPV.

Sexual history does not cause cervical cancer. It reflects the increased risk of acquiring high risk HPV.

Smoking cigarettes does not cause cervical cancer. It does impair immune function and make it more likely a high risk HPV infection will persist.

Using birth control pills will not cause cervical cancer. The hormones in the pill cause changes in the surface tissue of the cervix which make easier for HPV to infect the cervix. Use of the pill also often means the user is sexually active, perhaps has had more partners, and at risk to get infected with HPV.

The number of children just reflects that a woman is sexually active over a significant period, increasing the risk of getting HPV.

Cancer due to DES exposure is very uncommon. The registry maintained by the physician who discovered the association has only about 500 cases since 1971: Registry .

Of the risk factors in your list, only two actually cause cervical cancer: HPV and DES. HPV accounts for over 99% of cervical cancer.

Prevent HPV infections and you will prevent cervical cancer. The new nine strain version of Gardasil cover 90% of the cancer associated HPV strains.

Pap smears miss some cervical cancers, even in women who have them regularly. Not often, but it happens.

As usual, when you discuss HPV vaccines you completely ignore the cancers caused by HPV that cannot be detected with a Pap smear: Vulvar cancer in women, penile cancer in men, and anal and throat cancer in men and women. The vaccine can prevent those, too.
 
Old 07-30-2015, 09:25 PM
 
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Far more than 6% of Pap smears result in additional testing. The lifetime risk of a woman having an abnormal Pap is about 1 in 4.
Source. Cervical Cancer Screening
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Approximately six percent of women who receive Pap tests are referred for additional testing or treatment based on abnormal results.
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Risk factors are not the same as causes.
I know that, Suzy. No need to go into long explanations.

It boils down to choice. There is no need for this vaccine to be included in the list of vaccinations that one must get in order to attend school. The risk of cervical cancer does not warrant it. There are many people who have spoken out about adverse reactions. Ignore them at your own peril. This mandate is extreme.
 
Old 07-30-2015, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Source. Cervical Cancer Screening

I know that, Suzy. No need to go into long explanations.

It boils down to choice. There is no need for this vaccine to be included in the list of vaccinations that one must get in order to attend school. The risk of cervical cancer does not warrant it. There are many people who have spoken out about adverse reactions. Ignore them at your own peril. This mandate is extreme.
I notice you still have not provided a source for the "many people who have spoken out about adverse reactions". Who are these "many people"?

The six percent refers to a single Pap smear. Women have repeated Pap smears, not just one. The lifetime risk that a woman who has regular Paps will have an abnormal one at least once is 25% in an Australian study:

Prevalence and risk factors for lifetime exposure to Pap smear abnormalities in the Australian community. - PubMed - NCBI

and 20% in this one:

The Frequency of Pap Smear Screening in the United States

I notice that in your link as you data mined for the 6% figure you skipped right over this:

"Behavior-change prevention strategies that can be discussed with patients include the following:

Avoidance of HPV infection:

...

Vaccination against HPV infection"

The reason the vaccine may be included in mandates is because it is extremely safe. The adverse reactions you accuse me of ignoring just do not exist. Internet anecdotes are not evidence of adverse effects.
 
Old 07-31-2015, 02:20 AM
 
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Exactly. It's bizarre to see that so many people welcome this type of intrusion with open arms. I find that to be much more frightening then the idea that I might catch measles.
They are sadly all brainwashed MissTerri
 
Old 07-31-2015, 04:26 AM
 
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Mandating anyone to have chemicals injected into their body by a private company goes against everything this country stands for. The issue is not whether vaccines are effective or not, it is about freedom.

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Old 07-31-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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Talking with a few people online, we realized another group of kids who would be exempt from California's SB277. Native children going to schools on tribal lands. Sovereign Nations. If these peoples are exempt from the ACA, their children in their own schools would be exempt from California's vaccination laws also.
 
Old 07-31-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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Talking with a few people online, we realized another group of kids who would be exempt from California's SB277. Native children going to schools on tribal lands. Sovereign Nations. If these peoples are exempt from the ACA, their children in their own schools would be exempt from California's vaccination laws also.
Yes, as you would expect for a sovereign nation. Canada is also exempt.

Mick
 
Old 07-31-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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100% against such bills. Vaccination is the reason why civilization still lives and evolves.
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