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The risk of an adverse reaction to a vaccine is microscopic. The risk of getting a vaccine preventable disease, especially HPV, is many times higher.
It's not as small as you and the vaccine companies have led people to believe.
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Vaccine requirements for travel will help with measles but other diseases not so much, especially whooping cough.
Just measles? How about polio? The risk is brought in from other countries, is it not? What about chicken pox? They just had a "big emergency" quarantine at a hospital for a man with chicken pox who had just returned home to the US.
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No one is forced to vaccinate. If you do not want to, don't. Your choice will have consequences. It is up to you to choose how to deal with them.
Maybe rodentraiser can help you understand that there is no real choice involved in this coercive legislation. Some will be forced despite your misguided claims to the contrary.
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When you claim to base vaccination decisions on science you lose credibility by including chiropractors and naturopaths as sources.
It is your opinion that naturopaths and chiropractors are quacks. I'm sure some are absolutely terrible as are some doctors but to dismiss a profession because it falls outside your realm of understanding is ignorant and close minded.
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Yep, Japan has quacks, too. Quackery has no respect for international boundaries. Japanese quacks are even called out by Japanese infectious disease experts.
So pretty much anyone who does not agree with you and your beloved CDC, no matter what their credentials are, is a quack? Got it.
I haven't seen you posting studies or sources either, just memes and lots of posts that consists strictly of mocking people who do not share your point of views.
There are literally HUNDREDS of links that have been posted in this thread.
I absolutely mock shallow thought that is unsupported by any form of valid evidence when there is clear, objective, unequivocal evidence on the other side. I post memes because I hope they're not too confusing
You either can't comprehend what has been posted OVER AND OVER, the thousands of studies, the research, the evidence refuting the conspiracy theories, the data about the deaths prevented by vaccines, the studies showing the miniscule risk of severe adverse reactions.
Every. Single. Time. someone posts a study that PROVES you're wrong, you skate around and find another shallow argument. SuzyQ has been accused by you and others as having too much data. Which is it?
So lets be clear - this answer is NOT for those that have been given answers hundreds of time and plugged their ears while chanting "nananannana" for fear of hearing data that might force them to realize they're wrong.
For those LEGITIMATELY interested in science, who understandably find the drivel in this thread by the anti-science crew too painful to review, here is an aggregation of studies from a blog that supports science, and therefore vaccination (see how easy that is?).
Do not accept this or any other website's "opinion" unless the credentials are clear - go to the actual links and read the actual medical articles, studies and medical opinions. As the website itself states:
Vaccines are an important point of discussion on this blog. Once again, all decisions about vaccines should be done after a discussion with a licensed healthcare practioner who utilizes evidence-based medicine. Be aware that homeopaths, naturopaths, chiropractors, and other pseudoscience based woo-meisters are simply not knowledgeable about real diagnostic and treatment options, and should always be ignored.
Feel free to ask your chiropractor about your back or neck, but immunology? I'd check out the actual research links.
Just to be crystal clear, prior to the "Big Pharma" Boogie Man being dragged out, in Canada we have public health, with tax pressures we certainly WOULD not see every single political party strongly endorsing vaccinations if they weren't a cost effective way to prevent disease.
Can other Pro Science folks add their resources, lets put this fiction to bed.
MissTerri says she wants data? I don't believe her, I expect that we'll see single lines of these detailed resources taken out of context to mislead folks that they prove an unprovable point.
There are literally HUNDREDS of links that have been posted in this thread.
Not by you.
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I absolutely mock shallow thought that is unsupported by any form of valid evidence when there is clear, objective, unequivocal evidence on the other side. I post memes because I hope they're not too confusing
Yes, you do mock thoughts. Not shallow ones, just ones that you don't agree with. Memes are childish.
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You either can't comprehend what has been posted OVER AND OVER, the thousands of studies, the research, the evidence refuting the conspiracy theories, the data about the deaths prevented by vaccines, the studies showing the miniscule risk of severe adverse reactions.
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Every. Single. Time. someone posts a study that PROVES you're wrong, you skate around and find another shallow argument. SuzyQ has been accused by you and others as having too much data. Which is it?
Like I said, there is evidence on both sides.
I've read a lot of studies and there is evidence on both sides. I'm sorry you have not done your homework. I'm not going to do it for you either. All I want is the freedom for people to choose. That's it. The basic human right to decide to forgo injections into my body and the bodies of my children and future grandchildren. I haven't accused Suzy of having "too much data". Where do you come up with these things?
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So lets be clear - this answer is NOT for those that have been given answers hundreds of time and plugged their ears while chanting "nananannana" for fear of hearing data that might force them to realize they're wrong.
You're not listening to our side at all.
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For those LEGITIMATELY interested in science, who understandably find the drivel in this thread by the anti-science crew too painful to review, here is an aggregation of studies from a blog that supports science, and therefore vaccination (see how easy that is?).
Do not accept this or any other website's "opinion" unless the credentials are clear - go to the actual links and read the actual medical articles, studies and medical opinions. As the website itself states:
Vaccines are an important point of discussion on this blog. Once again, all decisions about vaccines should be done after a discussion with a licensed healthcare practioner who utilizes evidence-based medicine. Be aware that homeopaths, naturopaths, chiropractors, and other pseudoscience based woo-meisters are simply not knowledgeable about real diagnostic and treatment options, and should always be ignored.
Feel free to ask your chiropractor about your back or neck, but immunology? I'd check out the actual research links.
Do you really believe that you are performing some kind of public service on this thread? Like I said, I read a ton of studies, most from sources that you would consider to be legit. Just because I also talked to alternative health practitioners does not negate that. It just means that my information was more well rounded. If you limit yourself to only one side of the information then I wouldn't exactly consider your research to be complete. Suit yourself but your right to be ignorant stops when you push your injections on those who don't want them. Keep your laws off of my body, tlvancouver.
MissTerri says she wants data? I don't believe her, I expect that we'll see single lines of these detailed resources taken out of context to mislead folks that they prove an unprovable point.
Never have I said that I wanted data. I just reminded you that you haven't shared any. I did my research. I don't need for you to google specific studies that support your view for me. Thanks, but no thanks.
Myth #3a: Pregnant women should not get the flu shot. (Nope. They actually should get it.) Myth 3b:The flu shot can cause miscarriages. (Nope. Probably helps.) Myth 3c: Pregnant should only get the preservative-free flu shot. (Uhhhh, nope.)
Myth #4: Flu vaccines can cause Alzheimer’s disease. (Definitely nope.)
Oh, the Skeptical Raptor blog. That's not biased at all.
By the way, it's against the TOS to copy and paste long walls of text from other sites and paste them into your posts. It's a copyright thing. We're only allowed to post snippets. It's also against the TOS to call people "trolls".
Never have I said that I wanted data. I just reminded you that you haven't shared any. I did my research. I don't need for you to google specific studies that support your view for me. Thanks, but no thanks.
You don't have to convince anyone of that, this whole thread you have consistently shown that you thrive upon ridiculous conspiracy theory nonsense and endless assumptions.
Its not that you want to consider other viewpoints, you want people to legitimize your wacky, tinfoil arguments and sources and try to put them on par with those that involved actual research and not just data taken out of context or ignorant people using a bunch of "sciency" words to try and convince even more ignorant people that someone is out to get them.
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