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Except that it's not 100% effective... A little vaccinated so-and-so may be infected and spread it.
But if the majority of other children ARE vaccinated, we don't have to worry about the one or two whose vaccinations didn't take!
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Why not keep your child who has cancer away from big crowds or at least protected with a mask, that's what I would do!
If you think you're going to protect your child from viruses with a mask, you are delusional. And you certainly show that you know absolutely nothing about viruses.
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As far as Pertussis, THAT is your major problem. Vaccinating 100% of children won't solve that because of waning immunity over time with that vaccination.
Which is why they recommend boosters. I had mine, how about you?
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Absolutely NONE of your mandatory childhood vaccination works as far as the FLU is concerned.
Well, God, I certainly hope not! Flu is flu, not measles, not chicken pox, not mumps, not diphtheria, not whooping cough, not rabies, etc, etc, etc.
You didn't know this already? I knew this in grade school.
FACT: Except your wrong. The data from the states with fewer exemptions proves that.
But I'm curious, if you think this affects very few people, why are you so twisted about it?
I didn't say that it will only "effect very few people". I said that the majority of children are already vaccinated. People will be punished for not complying by losing access to public school. Some people will comply even though they are against it because they can't afford to lose access to public school. Many will homeschool. The small number of those who will comply will not make a significant dent in the vaccination rate which is already pretty darn high.
CA is a different place then MS or W VA. It's not an even comparison.
The majority of children already are vaccinated, rodentrasier. Mandates are not going to do much at all in terms of increasing compliance.
Nothing about this comment has any basis in reality.
The states with the strictest vaccine mandates also have by far the highest rates of vaccination statewide. California has an overall vaccination rate of about 92% but 50% or less in several areas. Mississippi has an overall vaccination rate of 99.5% and the rates are fairly uniform all throughout the state because there are no exemptions other than for legit medical purposes which have to verified by a physician and then the state Department of Health which verifies the legitimacy of the claim.
If you don't think that this new California law will increase vaccination rates across the state much more uniformly, you're only lying to yourself. The reality is that most parents will end up making the rational choice and getting their kids vaccinated, the diehards will either homeschool their kids or move out of state, eitherway they are a small minority of a small minority.
The largest portion of the anti-vaxx crowd, the fencesitters and the run-alongs I think will largely comply with the new requirements. As long as inaction was tolerated, they could simply pass the buck on and have their kids "hide in the herd" as several prominent anti-vaxxers have supported. Now that an actual choice has to be made, I think people will opt to do the vaccinations, keep their kids in school and deal with the fallout from their much more radical anti-vaxx neighbors.
Once things settle down in California and people see that this mandate isn't the end of the world, once we see more outbreaks of diseases such as measles and pertussis in places like Colorado(80% vaccination rate), I think these mandates will begin appearing in more and more states.
Once things settle down in California and people see that this mandate isn't the end of the world, once we see more outbreaks of diseases such as measles and pertussis in places like Colorado(80% vaccination rate), I think these mandates will begin appearing in more and more states.
Even if the vaccination rate for pertussis was 100% we would still see outbreaks of pertussis. That's a fact.
Even if the vaccination rate for pertussis was 100% we would still see outbreaks of pertussis. That's a fact.
Do you believe that if the vaccination rate for pertussis was 100% (which is only theoretical, because it can't happen), we'd see the same number of cases of pertussis as we're seeing today? I'd like to know your answer to that specific question.
Do you believe that if the vaccination rate for pertussis was 100% (which is only theoretical, because it can't happen), we'd see the same number of cases of pertussis as we're seeing today? I'd like to know your answer to that specific question.
It's highly possible. There is credible evidence that the pertussis bacteria has mutated which means that the current vaccine may not even be working anyway. There is also evidence that the immunity from the vaccine is fleeting and wears off quickly. Is Whooping Cough Vaccine Working? | KPBS Frits R Mooi
As for how I think pertussis vaccination should be handled would be to strongly encourage families of newborns to get the pertussis vaccination as opposed to mandating school children since infants are most at risk. This is called cocooning. The pertussis vaccine would still be on the list for required vaccines but with room for exemptions (medical, religious, philosophical). You'd still see a high rate of pertussis vaccination among school children and you'd also see a higher rate among families with newborns who would be more motivated to get the vaccine. That would be my suggestion. I suspect that even among those who may not vaccinate for everything on schedule, pertussis tops the list of vaccines that many who are labelled "anti-vaxxers" actually do vaccinate for.
It's highly possible. There is credible evidence that the pertussis bacteria has mutated which means that the current vaccine may not even be working anyway. There is also evidence that the immunity from the vaccine is fleeting and wears off quickly. Is Whooping Cough Vaccine Working? | KPBS Frits R Mooi
As for how I think pertussis vaccination should be handled would be to strongly encourage families of newborns to get the pertussis vaccination as opposed to mandating school children since infants are most at risk. This is called cocooning. The pertussis vaccine would still be on the list for required vaccines but with room for exemptions (medical, religious, philosophical). You'd still see a high rate of pertussis vaccination among school children and you'd also see a higher rate among families with newborns who would be more motivated to get the vaccine. That would be my suggestion. I suspect that even among those who may not vaccinate for everything on schedule, pertussis tops the list of vaccines that many who are labelled "anti-vaxxers" actually do vaccinate for.
The mutation theory is not universally accepted by a long shot. It's more likely that when you have a strong outbreak, where there are higher numbers of infected, there is a proportionally high number of vaccinated individuals who are infected. It's not that the vaccine is completely ineffective, just that the normal holes in immunity are showing.
You reduce the number that CAN get something, and you will reduce the number of those who WILL.
Since infants that are vaccinated still don't have the full benefit of immunity, they are still at risk, even after the first dose.
And you do know that the vaccine was changed--to limit reactions--right? That's why I was able to be fully vaccinated as an adult, when a shot in 1969 almost killed me. I understand that it's slightly less effective, but safer. So there you go. It was changed to mitigate negative reactions, but doesn't have equal protection. So, more holes. An, in turn, increased necessity to keep the percentage vaccinated high. To keep the number of infected lower.
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A little vaccinated so-and-so may be infected and spread it.
