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Originally Posted by markg91359
Did you know that the Rubella vaccine prevents many fetuses from miscarrying during pregnancy? It also prevents hordes of birth defects ranging from heart problems to nervous system disorders. This article estimates that the vaccine saves thousands of them. Its a big reason the Catholic Church is not opposed to the the use of the MMR vaccine despite the fact that it has a slim connection to aborted fetal cells.
Your statement about religious views is interesting. I think problem here is that people can't clearly understand the difference between a religious exemption from vaccination and a personal exemption. If a state grants a religious exemption, it is not the province of government to say that one form of belief is better than another form. However, it is a completely legitimate form of inquiry to inquire as to whether the beliefs are bonafide or not. Evidence that might suggest the beliefs are bonafide would be proof that one was a longstanding member of a church like the Christian Scientists. Actually, membership in any organized religious body that holds religious services would be acceptable proof, so long as that church professed some kind of opposition to medicines or vaccines. On the other hand, if one couldn't show membership in any such denomination it raises questions as to whether the applicant is entitled to the exemption.
This may seem a non-legitimate inquiry to you. However, it is used by the IRS and other government agencies for tax and regulatory purposes. My favorite one was when the IRS had to determine whether Scientology was a church or not. Occasionally, legal disputes occur between different groups that claim entitlement to a church and its property. These are cases where courts have to decide questions about whether religious beliefs are bonafide or not.
A small minority does oppose vaccination, but it has nothing to do with religion. These people are entitled to exemption in a state that maintains a "personal exemption". If the state has no personal exemption this group is not entitled to be exempt from vaccination. Those who would qualify for a personal exemption are not entitled to convert that into a religious exemption, unless their reasoning is truly founded on religious beliefs.
I cant speak for missterri, but I can speak for myself. If I believe that God doesnt want me to take vaccines, the fetuses used are insignificant.
The Catholic church wrestled with the question, but didnt determine it was 'okay' to use aborted fetuses. They determined it was better to err on the side of the common good, so parishoners are free to vaccinate if they wish to. I havent seen a Papal Bull demanding that they do.
I've had the flu, chicken pox and rotavirus and I would say that I think some of the "pro-vaxx for everyone" posters have deeply overblown these illnesses in attempt to scare people into getting vaccinated for them.
My father was in an automobile crash that did not kill him. The seat belt he was wearing and the air bags in his truck had a lot to do with that. The truck was totaled.
A sixteen year old girl recently rolled her truck on a road near my home. Thanks to her seat belt, she walked away with a few bruises.
Thousands of people die in automobile accidents every year. Most fatalities are not belted. Do you have any doubt seat belts save lives? I don't, just as I have no doubt that vaccines do.
You did not die from flu, chickenpox, or rotavirus, but deaths do happen. With the availability of safe, effective vaccines, the majority of those deaths are preventable and unnecessary.
Your statement is a perfect example of why people need to be told the risks of vaccine preventable diseases. The risks are real, not "overblown". What is "overblown" is allegations that vaccines cause injuries that they do not, including autism.
If vaccination rates continue to fall, the diseases they prevent will come back with a vengeance.
My father was in an automobile crash that did not kill him. The seat belt he was wearing and the air bags in his truck had a lot to do with that. The truck was totaled.
A sixteen year old girl recently rolled her truck on a road near my home. Thanks to her seat belt, she walked away with a few bruises.
Thousands of people die in automobile accidents every year. Most fatalities are not belted. Do you have any doubt seat belts save lives? I don't, just as I have no doubt that vaccines do.
You did not die from flu, chickenpox, or rotavirus, but deaths do happen. With the availability of safe, effective vaccines, the majority of those deaths are preventable and unnecessary.
Your statement is a perfect example of why people need to be told the risks of vaccine preventable diseases. The risks are real, not "overblown". What is "overblown" is allegations that vaccines cause injuries that they do not, including autism.
If vaccination rates continue to fall, the diseases they prevent will come back with a vengeance.
This is sounding a lot like an advertisement in favor of vaccines. If you want to live in fear of these illnesses, feel free. I will not. You said those who were not afraid probably had never seen them. I was just letting you know that I experienced those three first hand and I have zero fear of them.
I cant speak for missterri, but I can speak for myself. If I believe that God doesnt want me to take vaccines, the fetuses used are insignificant.
The Catholic church wrestled with the question, but didnt determine it was 'okay' to use aborted fetuses. They determined it was better to err on the side of the common good, so parishoners are free to vaccinate if they wish to. I havent seen a Papal Bull demanding that they do.
But it is not against the teaching of the Catholic Church to vaccinate.
But it is not against the teaching of the Catholic Church to vaccinate.
Not all people who are religious are a part of an organized religion and their interpretation of the bible or whatever other religious doctrine may differ from the "leader of the catholic church".
This is sounding a lot like an advertisement in favor of vaccines. If you want to live in fear of these illnesses, feel free. I will not. You said those who were not afraid probably had never seen them. I was just letting you know that I experienced those three first hand and I have zero fear of them.
You have not died from flu. Each year thousands of people, including well nourished, healthy people die from flu. That includes children and pregnant women.
Before the chickenpox vaccine, people died from chickenpox.
Before the rotavirus vaccine, babies (mostly) died from rotavirus.
With the vaccines for those, deaths decreased precipitously, and many fewer people get sick.
You are not the only person in the world. Many, many people do not have the same experience you did with those diseases.
Not all people who are religious are a part of an organized religion and their interpretation of the bible or whatever other religious doctrine may differ from the "leader of the catholic church".
True, but its perfectly legitimate to inquire as to the source and reasons for those beliefs. The request for a religious exemption can be denied if the authority charged with granting such exemptions determines the beliefs are not religious in nature, but simply a personal desire to avoid vaccination. *
*In states that have religious, but not personal exemptions from vaccination.
You have not died from flu. Each year thousands of people, including well nourished, healthy people die from flu. That includes children and pregnant women.
Before the chickenpox vaccine, people died from chickenpox.
Before the rotavirus vaccine, babies (mostly) died from rotavirus.
With the vaccines for those, deaths decreased precipitously, and many fewer people get sick.
You are not the only person in the world. Many, many people do not have the same experience you did with those diseases.
Why are you trying so hard to convince me to be fearful? I said that I am not afraid and I'm not. I've known many others who have had these illnesses besides myself. Death is very rare. Like I said, if you want to live in fear, you can but it's weird how hard you are trying to convince me to also live in fear.
Location: Subconscious Syncope, USA (Northeastern US)
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Why are you trying so hard to convince me to be fearful? I said that I am not afraid and I'm not. I've known many others who have had these illnesses besides myself. Death is very rare. Like I said, if you want to live in fear, you can but it's weird how hard you are trying to convince me to also live in fear.
Id give you rep but the thread wont let me. I agree with the weirdness.
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