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Old 08-27-2015, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Medical exemptions are based on contraindications not precautions. AND the CDC lists 1 contraindication for all vaccines: Severe allergic reaction (e.g., anaphylaxis) after a previous dose or to a vaccine component.

There are only precautions for some immune issues with few exceptions. Precautions are not a good enough reason for a medical exemption but only a delay. Even GBS after vaccination is not a reason for exemption.

Family history, allergies, immunodeficiency... not a reason to get an exemption.
General Recommendations on Immunization

So unless you get the vaccine and have a SEVERE allergic reaction, you can only get an exemption for that vaccine...

For precautions you can delay the vaccine but with the mandate your child can not go to school.

 
Old 08-27-2015, 05:56 PM
 
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Food allergies are rarely a contraindication to vaccines. Food Allergies Are Rarely a Concern When Considering Vaccines for Adolescents. "Studies have shown that food allergies are rarely contraindications to vaccine administration."

Plus much more.
 
Old 08-27-2015, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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Originally Posted by katjonjj View Post
Medical exemptions are based on contraindications not precautions. AND the CDC lists 1 contraindication for all vaccines: Severe allergic reaction (e.g., anaphylaxis) after a previous dose or to a vaccine component.

There are only precautions for some immune issues with few exceptions. Precautions are not a good enough reason for a medical exemption but only a delay. Even GBS after vaccination is not a reason for exemption.

Family history, allergies, immunodeficiency... not a reason to get an exemption.
General Recommendations on Immunization

So unless you get the vaccine and have a SEVERE allergic reaction, you can only get an exemption for that vaccine...

For precautions you can delay the vaccine but with the mandate your child can not go to school.
Yes. You know why it's like this? Because it makes sense. Because there isn't actual evidence that supports any other course of action. It's an intelligent, sound approach.
 
Old 08-27-2015, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Yes. You know why it's like this? Because it makes sense. Because there isn't actual evidence that supports any other course of action. It's an intelligent, sound approach.
So mandating vaccines that are known to cause severe reactions such as not being able to breathe is okay because you can't say no unless you can't breathe.

Sounds like an intelligent, sound approach to me.

If a parent, who knows their child, feels the child could be allergic to any of the components of the vaccine... they should be able to choose whether to risk it and at what schedule they should risk it. Doctors are paid by parents. Doctors don't dictate what a patient should do or take for their health. Doctors advise.

Do you think doctors would give out more exemptions or at least be more cautious if they were held liable for any injury that resulted?

For example, the HPV vax insert states that fainting after the shot is common so you are supposed to watch them for 15 minutes. Can you sue the doctor because he didn't observe or if he did and the child hit their head upon fainting?

Furthermore, since when is fainting after a shot normal? I can see fainting because you don't like needles but the insert is pretty clear that it's normal to have fainting and seizures... seizures aren't caused by needle fear! What is going on in the body when a vaccine causes seizures within 15 minutes?

However, that is not an adverse event... nope that's just NORMAL. If not for vaccines, I don't think any doctor would think fainting and seizures after a procedure is normal. Do you?

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Old 08-27-2015, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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So mandating vaccines that are known to cause severe reactions such as not being able to breath is okay because you can't say no unless you can't breath.

Sounds like an intelligent, sound approach to me.

If a parent, who knows their child,feels the child could be allergic to any of the components of the vaccine... they should be able to choose whether to risk it and at what schedule they should risk it. Doctors are paid by parents. Doctors don't dictate what a patient should do or take for their health. Doctors advise.

Do you think doctors would give out more exemptions or at least be more cautious if they were held liable for any injury that resulted?

For example, the HPV vax insert states that fainting after the shot is common so you are supposed to watch them for 15 minutes. Can you sue the doctor because he didn't observe or if he did and the child hit their head upon fainting?

Furthermore, since when is fainting after a shot normal? I can see fainting because you don't like needles but the insert is pretty clear that it's normal to have fainting and seizures... seizures aren't caused by needle fear! What is going on in the body when a vaccine causes seizures within 15 minutes?

However, that is not an adverse event... nope that's just NORMAL. If not for vaccines, I don't think any doctor would think fainting and seizures after a procedure is normal. Do you?
Could then a parent who "feels the child could be".....mmmm...say... better off not being schooled at all, get some kind of exemption from educating their child?

Or "feels the child could be" better off not restrained in a moving vehicle?
 
Old 08-27-2015, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Could then a parent who "feels the child could be".....mmmm...say... better off not being schooled at all, get some kind of exemption from educating their child?
When I was school age, I ate 5 oranges in one sitting and broke out in hives. Same thing happened when I ate seafood. My parents could have suspected that this allergy could extend to other substances. Like Jo said earlier, her daughter had a known allergy to milk but after vaccination, she had an allergy to red meat.

As to your comment, parents DO have a choice about how their child is educated and at what pace. The school does not dictate whether or not a child can attend certain classes or even the next grade. That is up to the parent. Parent's can also request special help and classes for their children.

Those children whose parents decide they don't want them in classes fill out... guess what... an exemption form.
 
Old 08-27-2015, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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When I was school age, I ate 5 oranges in one sitting and broke out in hives. Same thing happened when I ate seafood. My parents could have suspected that this allergy could extend to other substances. Like Jo said earlier, her daughter had a known allergy to milk but after vaccination, she had an allergy to red meat.

As to your comment, parents DO have a choice about how their child is educated and at what pace. The school does not dictate whether or not a child can attend certain classes or even the next grade. That is up to the parent. Parent's can also request special help and classes for their children.

Those children whose parents decide they don't want them in classes fill out... guess what... an exemption form.
Parents cannot exempt out of education altogether. Parents cannot exempt out of seat belt and carseat requirements.

Parents can choose to avoid vaccinating.

You are asking for a medical exemptions based on nothing more than what you "feel". That's a philosophical exemption not a medical one. Actual medical exemptions are based on....actual medical reasons. Not feelings about what might happen.

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Old 08-27-2015, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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Parents cannot exempt out of education altogether. Patents cannot exempt out of sear belt and carseat requirements.

Parents can choose to avoid vaccinating.
I say that they can now. If the government is going to ban the kids from school, than the government doesn't get any say in how said children are educated. If the parents don't want to teach the kids how to read, and the government thinks it's necessary, than the government shouldn't be banning them from school. (I think education is important, by the way.)
 
Old 08-27-2015, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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Originally Posted by katjonjj View Post
So mandating vaccines that are known to cause severe reactions such as not being able to breath is okay because you can't say no unless you can't breath.

Sounds like an intelligent, sound approach to me.

If a parent, who knows their child, feels the child could be allergic to any of the components of the vaccine... they should be able to choose whether to risk it and at what schedule they should risk it. Doctors are paid by parents. Doctors don't dictate what a patient should do or take for their health. Doctors advise.

Do you think doctors would give out more exemptions or at least be more cautious if they were held liable for any injury that resulted?

For example, the HPV vax insert states that fainting after the shot is common so you are supposed to watch them for 15 minutes. Can you sue the doctor because he didn't observe or if he did and the child hit their head upon fainting?

Furthermore, since when is fainting after a shot normal? I can see fainting because you don't like needles but the insert is pretty clear that it's normal to have fainting and seizures... seizures aren't caused by needle fear! What is going on in the body when a vaccine causes seizures within 15 minutes?

However, that is not an adverse event... nope that's just NORMAL. If not for vaccines, I don't think any doctor would think fainting and seizures after a procedure is normal. Do you?
I HAD one of those reactions! And it was to one single vaccine. I got ALL the rest with no problem whatsoever, and that is typical. Plus, I've now gotten an updated version of that vaccine with no problem. And MY reaction had no bearing on my children--they have had no allergies to vaccines. But, I stay in the doctor's office for a few minutes after, just to satisfy my mom paranoia.

The fainting info in the insert on the HPV vaccine is there because people have reported fainting. And this is something that happens. When a younger child gets shots, they often get scared & panic, possibly crying and carrying on. Older kids get rigid and try not to react. Fainting may happen. I had a friend that worked at a store that did ear piercing. She said little kids were way easier than tweens and teens, that she never had a 6 yo faint, but half of the 13 yo did. It's a thing. Really. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean that it isn't true.
 
Old 08-27-2015, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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I say that they can now. If the government is going to ban the kids from school, than the government doesn't get any say in how said children are educated. If the parents don't want to teach the kids how to read, and the government thinks it's necessary, than the government shouldn't be banning them from school. (I think education is important, by the way.)
I understand your opinion, but the reality is parents are still obliged to provide an education for their children. Homeschooling is an option.
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