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Old 04-28-2015, 11:55 AM
 
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Do these people have what it takes to keep a job ?

Do they have basic math and reading comprehension skills ?

Do they generally respect the law and order ?

Do they have a basic understanding of the concept of fairness ? Or are they more than happy to beat and kill innocent people and loot businesses to take out their frustration with Da Man ?

How many of them don't have a ghetto thug, jungle-law, dog-eat-dog, what's-good-for-me-is-right, the-world-owes-me mentality ?

How many of these men have daily conversation with their children ? How many even know all of their children ?

How do you propose we fix this ? It's a mentality / culture problem. The police brutality, real or alleged, is the symptom, not the cause.

They are both the victim and the problem.

So true.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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When your sourced article comes from a self proclaimed socialist site, did you really expect most people to agree with its/your view
I expected a moment of reflection in which people take a step back from calling the rioters thugs and hoodrats and look at the history of suffering that the people of balitmore endured. This isn't some random event that was orchestrated by malefactors of society as you and many others on this forum would like to spout with incredible vitriol and venom; it is a culmination of years of injustice taking form in a way that should be no stranger to anybody doing their homework. Look at Ferguson, the Watts riots, and other instances of riots, they all shared the same problems. Heck, alot of them started the same way. Why should Baltimore be any different in this aspect? I don't understand the why you're trying to come off as pretentious to someone who been neutral to you, but it's really isn't helping your case. All it does is give me a good excuse to dismiss everything you say.


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Typically articles/views like that are either cloaks for the deeper "workers unite" propaganda, or as I said, naïve feel good half baked thoughts. In practical terms people are never going to be equal, not even in socialist/communist societies.
I don't understand this section of your post. It sounds absolutely insane to me. Did you literally just say people are naive for wishing for equality, and sentiments for workers to have rights and a way to support themselves are "feel good half baked thoughts"? You're going to have to explain this one, because I think you're a little over the deep end on this one.


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Yet that does not prevent those looking for answers to our societies problems to believe other forms of government would work better.
This is mindless Jingoism. Europe has a healthcare system and an education system surpassing our own, which one of which was currently a point of much contention. America has alot to learn from it's foreign neighbors. It is a country of foreigners, after all.

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Despite some flaws, our Constitutional Republic built on capitalism is the best thing going
This is an insidious joke. This sentiment is poisoning this country.

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As a result we do much more good in this world for our fellow man precisely because we have the resources based on capitalism.
To deny that would be futile, as it is fact.
Guatemala, el savador, the middle east, any place where America dug it claws in the land, there are nothing but marks and scars in the earth. All you have to do is look up drone strikes to see how we are aren't doing any much good for our fellow man.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:08 PM
 
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At some point people need to step up and take responsibility for themselves and stop being victims. Destroying ones own neighborhood is not going to solve anything. It will make things 10 times worse in the long run. History has shown this with past riots.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ummagumma View Post
Do these people have what it takes to keep a job ?

Do they have basic math and reading comprehension skills ?

Do they generally respect the law and order ?

Do they have a basic understanding of the concept of fairness ? Or are they more than happy to beat and kill innocent people and loot businesses to take out their frustration with Da Man ?

How many of them don't have a ghetto thug, jungle-law, dog-eat-dog, what's-good-for-me-is-right, the-world-owes-me mentality ?

How many of these men have daily conversation with their children ? How many even know all of their children ?

How do you propose we fix this ? It's a mentality / culture problem. The police brutality, real or alleged, is the symptom, not the cause.

They are both the victim and the problem.
To all the questions posed, the answer is simple. I don't know, and neither does you.
To the statment proposed, the answer is simple. It is a historical/ White caused problem. The police brutality, real and ever present, is a symptom of oppression, but alludes to greater wrongs committed on the black community.

Blacks are both the victims of the physical violence brought against them, and the justification of such violence brought against then. They can't win; Floyd dent get brutalized and framed by the police despite being a model citizen with no prior records, and people still find a way to blame him and others like him for the abuses they suffer.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:13 PM
 
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Pitchforks are coming..

It's a matter of time that one day these riots will start to creep into middle class and wealthier towns because these riots at poor neighborhoods don't get enough attention.

Get ready folks, one day those towns neighboring poor ones will get hit by looting and rioting.
And when that happens this **** will stop...and QUICK....
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:16 PM
 
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To all the questions posed, the answer is simple. I don't know, and neither does you.
To the statment proposed, the answer is simple. It is a historical/ White caused problem. The police brutality, real and ever present, is a symptom of oppression, but alludes to greater wrongs committed on the black community.

Blacks are both the victims of the physical violence brought against them, and the justification of such violence brought against then. They can't win; Floyd dent get brutalized and framed by the police despite being a model citizen with no prior records, and people still find a way to blame him and others like him for the abuses they suffer.

What do you think about the high levels of black on black violent crime that occur in everyday life?
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:17 PM
 
Location: USA
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A new Baltimore will not come of this. The old Baltimore will just die more quickly now.
Do you think it will become another Detroit? Going on 50 years of Democrat rule and nothing has changed.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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Do the AA community have some legitimate beef RE: police? Yes.
Is this the solution? No.

Violence and destruction solves nothing.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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At some point people need to step up and take responsibility for themselves and stop being victims. Destroying ones own neighborhood is not going to solve anything. It will make things 10 times worse in the long run. History has shown this with past riots.
Funny you bring up history; It shows that the riots always have the same root causes, Poverty, oppression, lack of opportunity, yet you and other haven't learn one thing from it. How can these people stop being victims when they keep getting victimized? All the jobs got sent overseas, but they're to lazy to work. The police brutalize them, but they're thugs that just hate the police. They don't even have the proper guidance that white Americans enjoy and take for granted which ultimately propelled them to do the great things they do, but blacks are just ignorant. All the capital gets taken out of their neighborhood, which creates jobs, proper schools, nice public facilities and the other conveniences white america enjoy, but nobody in power mentions this. I read an article from the Atlantic that introduced me to the interesting tactic of financial discrimination, which was refusing to loan out to poor black communities so they can't move out (red lining) or simply give them ridiculous deals that will ultimately result in foreclosure that blacks have no choice but to accept if they wanted to escape the horrors of the south ("The case for reparations" This was a tactic employed in Chicago, which is upnorth. What do we call it now? Chiraq). It always surprise me just how in-depth America went in keeping us down, but how incredibly deep they buried this information so it rarely comes back up to educate the general public.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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To all the questions posed, the answer is simple. I don't know, and neither does you.
To the statment proposed, the answer is simple. It is a historical/ White caused problem. The police brutality, real and ever present, is a symptom of oppression, but alludes to greater wrongs committed on the black community.

Blacks are both the victims of the physical violence brought against them, and the justification of such violence brought against then. They can't win; Floyd dent get brutalized and framed by the police despite being a model citizen with no prior records, and people still find a way to blame him and others like him for the abuses they suffer.
Your statement above is racist to extreme, you just put the blame on millions of people just because they share a skin color. Not a single white person living today was involved with slavery. Moreover, the majority of white people living in the US
today are actually the descendants of people who immigrated here after the abolition of slavery, from countries that had nothing at all to do with slave trade - German states, Poland, Italy, Austria-Hungary, various Slavic states. In fact there's more white Americans of German descent than English. What do they have to do with slavery ? Actually, given that the slave trade was between white traders and black tribes who caught and sold the members of other tribes in the usual African tribal warfare (before slave trade they would get killed or released), there's a lot of black Americans today whose ancestors were probably benefitting from the slave trade at some point. And many groups coming to the U.S. were discriminated against and persecuted, like Jews or Irish, some like the Chinese were at some point subjected to slavery as terrible and what Blacks had experienced - even more brutal since they belonged to companies rather than individual owners and their lives were considered essentially disposable. Yet I don't see Chinese rioting in their ghettos today.
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