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Old 05-01-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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Even if a person doesn't care if someone like Mr. Grey with his criminal record is killed. Even if you don't care about potential police abuse of power in the case.

Remember, if this happens in your community....when they get out the checkbook and have to pay Mr. Grey's family $5million....YOU the taxpayer are paying for it.

Just something to consider if the other concerns are not shared by you.
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In almost everyone of these police incidents the perp had a long rap sheet, ran, and or resisted arrest.
Here's one that didn't:

What I Did After Police Killed My Son - Michael Bell - POLITICO Magazine
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:55 AM
 
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Yes, I remember that case. However it is very rare indeed that anyone of any color is accosted by the police when acting within norms of civil society. If you don't run, fight, resist there is not much chance that you will be harmed by police.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:07 PM
 
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Well, you know, those skills deserve whatever "accident" happens to them during arrest, on the way to the station, whenever… cause if they aren't guilty right now they will be guilty some day of something. This is the creative crime prevention at it's best. KILL them or paralyze them before they can commit crime.
Interesting.

You're probably someone who considers himself/herself a "patriot" as well, right?

And yet your philosophy is so utterly unamerican, and is so aligned with terror.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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Interesting.

You're probably someone who considers himself/herself a "patriot" as well, right?

And yet your philosophy is so utterly unamerican, and is so aligned with terror.
What? How do you get Un-American & aligned with terror out of that??

The police should treat every citizen with due process. That goes for Freddie Gray, you, the guy next door, whoever. Otherwise, we become a police state.

That's why the police should be held to a higher standard. They are here to protect and serve. They are trained to think and react under stress.

I'm all for the police. I think 98% of them are good people, working hard, doing a very tough job. But there are those few that cross the line.

Do you really want police that are corrupt, that can injure and/or kill citizens without repercussions? Think of Pakistan, Russia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Burma, Kenya, Mexico, Haiti. THINK ABOUT IT.

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Old 05-01-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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Well, you know, those skills deserve whatever "accident" happens to them during arrest, on the way to the station, whenever… cause if they aren't guilty right now they will be guilty some day of something. This is the creative crime prevention at it's best. KILL them or paralyze them before they can commit crime.
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What? How do you get Un-American & aligned with terror out of that??
The police should treat every citizen with due process. That goes for Freddie Gray, you, the guy next door, whoever. Otherwise, we become a police state.
That's why the police should be held to a higher standard. They are here to protect and serve. They are trained to think and react under stress.
I'm all for the police. I think 98% of them are good people, working hard, doing a very tough job. But there are those few that cross the line.
Do you really want police that are corrupt, that can injure and/or kill citizens without repercussions? Think of Pakistan, Russia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Burma, Kenya, Mexico, Haiti. THINK ABOUT IT.
These posts sound like opposite opinions. First you state that these "skills" (not sure what you mean, but it sounds like you are talking about people who are arrested) deserve the brutal treatment they receive from the police, because it is "crime prevention" whatever that sadistic statement means.

Then in a contradictory manner state that the police shouldn't be corrupt, although it is corrupt to kill alleged criminals as "crime prevention" before they are even indicted, whether they are guilty now or as you said "will be someday".

Your first statement sounds like an endorsement of the mideastern country policies that you then tell everyone to "THINK ABOUT."
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Old 05-01-2015, 05:47 PM
 
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What? How do you get Un-American & aligned with terror out of that??

The police should treat every citizen with due process. That goes for Freddie Gray, you, the guy next door, whoever. Otherwise, we become a police state.

That's why the police should be held to a higher standard. They are here to protect and serve. They are trained to think and react under stress.

I'm all for the police. I think 98% of them are good people, working hard, doing a very tough job. But there are those few that cross the line.

Do you really want police that are corrupt, that can injure and/or kill citizens without repercussions? Think of Pakistan, Russia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Burma, Kenya, Mexico, Haiti. THINK ABOUT IT.
Uh oh...it's entirely possible that I misread your post to be the exact opposite of what you meant :-(


I thought you were saying Freddy Gray deserved to be killed on the way to the station because he would have committed a crime someday.

...never mind...(sorry)

Someone needs to take their rep point back from me because I am glad the cops were indicted
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Old 05-01-2015, 06:03 PM
 
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Even if a person doesn't care if someone like Mr. Grey with his criminal record is killed. Even if you don't care about potential police abuse of power in the case.

Remember, if this happens in your community....when they get out the checkbook and have to pay Mr. Grey's family $5million....YOU the taxpayer are paying for it.

Just something to consider if the other concerns are not shared by you.
That's the only positive thing that will come from this.

The city will pay the Grays a huge multi-million dollar settlement for killing their son in an illegal arrest.

There was no need to arrest as him as he hadn't done anything, but it doesn't matter if he did anything or not, does it?

What the cops say goes now.

We are living in a police state, but no one wants to call it that.
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Old 05-01-2015, 07:25 PM
 
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Hi
Bells family received 1.75 mil from the city of Kenosha...the terms of the settlement were not published
The district attorney ruled insufficient evidence and the shooting justifiable
From reports I have read bell did resist arrest... was tazed... and then fought with two officers then was shot by a third when it was alleged and was investigated that he did attempt to take an officers gun.
The officer who conducted the traffic stop on bell who was intoxicated... committed suicide from the pressure this incident brought to his life
The family has waged a campaign ever since
I watched the entire dashcam video.. which does not show the actual shooting.. off camera you can see shadows of what appears to be a struggle out of view
There are posters calling for the death and murder of police on this forum... I would hope all of you that monitor us could please ... monitor these comments and remember ... wen and lu of NYPD were murdered by some psycho who got all worked up on the internet.
Thank you very much
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Old 05-01-2015, 07:40 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Cool So there are charges.... Hit the snooze button....

So six cops were charged today, so what? It's my guess that these charges are at the least, if not wholly politically motivated. Especially after the S.A.'s comments after the charges were read.

All these fools out there partying,dancing and politicians slapping themselves on the back for what? Oh, I know the riots will stop (for now).
Let's see what can be proven at trial, I'll bet most of those charges will not be upheld except civilly.
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