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Old 04-28-2015, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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so he deserved to be killed for non violent arrests, some not even convictions, is that what you're trying to say? i agree in that black men should minimize their interactions with cops for their own safety.

Did I say that, no. But the guy had a long record, at some point you figured he would have knocked it off, or as Chris Rock said "I wouldn't do that **** if I were you."

If you find yourself breaking the law, STOP breaking the law. That's a good first step, regardless of what you feel about the laws or whether you think the war on drugs is stupid, the laws are still there to be enforced.


When you don't break the law, you improve your odds greatly of not winding up shot or dead, from police or other people breaking the law.
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Suffolk, Va
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Did I say that, no. But the guy had a long record, at some point you figured he would have knocked it off, or as Chris Rock said "I wouldn't do that **** if I were you."

If you find yourself breaking the law, STOP breaking the law. That's a good first step, regardless of what you feel about the laws or whether you think the war on drugs is stupid, the laws are still there to be enforced.


When you don't break the law, you improve your odds greatly of not winding up shot or dead, from police or other people breaking the law.
your post is victim blaming nonsense. why were they pursuing him in the first place? what laws were being broken? how come a lot of his arrests didn't end in conviction? and, finally, even if he was doing something illegal, the police broke this man's spine and caused his death. that is not their job, whether someone is breaking the law or not. goohwtbs
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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yes, i remember when Mike Brown, Trayvon and Tamir Rice went to Rikers that time
This thread seems to be about a Police arrest and what happened to him. I don't see any mention of Thugs and Robbers who assaulted a person that had a gun. This is nothing like Brown and Martin.

This is about lack of training or lack of common sense, for not providing Medical Aid when it was asked for, and dragging an injured man to a van like cargo, and tossing him inside. That was plain stupid.
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Suffolk, Va
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Get a grip man, what on earth are you referring to?
i am referencing the ignorance and stupidity of half of the people on this thread who blame black male victims for their own deaths.
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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your post is victim blaming nonsense. why were they pursuing him in the first place? what laws were being broken? how come a lot of his arrests didn't end in conviction? and, finally, even if he was doing something illegal, the police broke this man's spine and caused his death. that is not their job, whether someone is breaking the law or not. goohwtbs

He's a guy who had a long rap sheet, who simply couldn't stay out of trouble. Did he deserve to die for that, absolutely not, regardless of the veracity of this report, the policy at minimum acted with tremendous callousness and neglect for not getting him medical attention.


That said, at some point, this stuff needs to be a wakeup call for people to stop breaking the law and making situations like this all the more likely. It's not about victim-blaming, its about being smart and not doing **** that will get you into repeated and regular contact with police and judges, as well as put your life on the line with other people who are breaking the law. Out of all the murder victims in Baltimore in 2014, the absolute vast majority were black men, and it certainly wasn't the police doing the absolute vast majority of the killings.



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It does not help, either, that Baltimore is one of the most dangerous cities in America. Its murder rate in 2013 was 37 per 100,000—worse than South Africa’s. In one week of June of that year, the city saw ten murders and 28 shootings among a population of just 622,000. Baltimore is a city where young black men are occasionally killed by the police—and where most days a young black man is murdered by another young black man.
Race and criminal justice: The lessons of Baltimore | The Economist
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Suffolk, Va
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This thread seems to be about a Police arrest and what happened to him. I don't see any mention of Thugs and Robbers who assaulted a person that had a gun. This is nothing like Brown and Martin.

This is about lack of training or lack of common sense, for not providing Medical Aid when it was asked for, and dragging an injured man to a van like cargo, and tossing him inside. That was plain stupid.
the post i responded to specifically said that in cases like these the "criminals" seem to have priors or run, as if that excuses police brutality. so Tamir Rice was a thug and robber? no, the same lack of training and common sense runs through so many police departments in this country. They are all related.
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Suffolk, Va
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He's a guy who had a long rap sheet, who simply couldn't stay out of trouble. Did he deserve to die for that, absolutely not, regardless of the veracity of this report, the policy at minimum acted with tremendous callousness and neglect for not getting him medical attention.


That said, at some point, this stuff needs to be a wakeup call for people to stop breaking the law and making situations like this all the more likely. It's not about victim-blaming, its about being smart and not doing **** that will get you into repeated and regular contact with police and judges, as well as put your life on the line with other people who are breaking the law. Out of all the murder victims in Baltimore, the absolute vast majority were black men, and it certainly wasn't the police doing the absolute vast majority of the killings.

oh wow, black criminals killed more black people than cops. I didn't know there was a competition. I thought, maybe, because they are paid with tax payer money, the cops might be held to a higher standard than criminals. i guess not.





Race and criminal justice: The lessons of Baltimore | The Economist
and what about all the law abiding black men killed by police? what is your advice for them? stay inside? don't open the door? this guy was a petty criminal and now he is dead instead of in court or jail for any crimes he committed, because these cops are the real criminals.
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:32 PM
 
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He's a guy who had a long rap sheet, who simply couldn't stay out of trouble. Did he deserve to die for that, absolutely not, regardless of the veracity of this report, the policy at minimum acted with tremendous callousness and neglect for not getting him medical attention.


That said, at some point, this stuff needs to be a wakeup call for people to stop breaking the law and making situations like this all the more likely. It's not about victim-blaming, its about being smart and not doing **** that will get you into repeated and regular contact with police and judges, as well as put your life on the line with other people who are breaking the law. Out of all the murder victims in Baltimore in 2014, the absolute vast majority were black men, and it certainly wasn't the police doing the absolute vast majority of the killings.



Race and criminal justice: The lessons of Baltimore | The Economist
So if he didn't deserve to die and this thread is about him dying, why bring up his long rap sheet?
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Gods country
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i am referencing the ignorance and stupidity of half of the people on this thread who blame black male victims for their own deaths.
A majority of the dead young black males referenced in prior threads had a hand in their own deaths by either resisting, fighting or running from the police. I'm not saying that they deserved to die however chances are that if try complied with the arresting officer they would probably be alive to tell it to the judge.
A prime example is Mike Brown, the dude assaulted a police officer and tried to take his gun. That video of him strong arming that bodega owner was all I needed to see to know about what really happened.happened

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Old 04-28-2015, 10:41 PM
 
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A majority of the dead young black males referenced in prior threads had a hand in their own deaths by either resisting, fighting or running from the police. I'm not saying that they deserved to die however chances are that if try complied with the arresting officer they would probably be alive to tell it to the judge.
If they didnt deserve to die, why reference the prior rap sheets or a "hand" in the deaths?
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