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Old 04-29-2015, 05:29 AM
 
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We've taken a real biracial non partisan problem of police militarization and overreach and turned it in to yet another race based political grudge match that pits American against American. It's the government and the police that win in this scenario, not you and not me. There is no progress so long as our hate for each other is greater than our concern over the problems that are tearing this country apart.
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Old 04-29-2015, 05:31 AM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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Now Mike Brown didn't seem like the best individual, but he didn't deserve to die. Police shouldn't make that call. Eric Gardner's death was an unjustified as it got.
Sorry, but Mike Brown was a justified shooting. Even the Eric Holder DOJ could not find something wrong with the way it all went down.

Assault a cop, try and take his weapon and you will be shot.

Blacks need to pick their Battles more wisely. People get tired of the protests when they won't even let the process take place.
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Old 04-29-2015, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I wasn't there, so I wouldn't know if he tried to take the cop's gun or not.


Gj saying, "Blacks need to pick their Battles more wisely." I didn't know all of us thought like Brown.
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Old 04-29-2015, 06:19 AM
 
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If Freddie Gray had surgery then how does anyone account for the crushed larynx?

I think the initial take down, when FG said he couldn't feel his legs and you can clearly see his legs being dragged behind him, those officers should have gotten him medical attention. Seems to me his neck needed to be stabilized from being hurt further.
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Old 04-29-2015, 06:22 AM
 
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It's Freddie's fault that he is dead, maybe he should not have gotten arrested over and over again.

FREDDIE GRAY'S ARREST RECORD: Here's The Rap Sheet Of The Dude They're Destroying Baltimore Over | Doug Giles | #ClashDaily

Somehow, some way, Gray wasn't in prison where he should have been. He'd still be alive.

With all the stats about the high incarceration rates of black men and the 'school to prison pipeline,' either the wrong ones are in prison or more should be.
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Old 04-29-2015, 07:24 AM
 
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None of this however is true. In my opinion, it was both highly unethical and irresponsible for The Fourth Estate to print that story.

An examination of court records reveals that Freddie Gray was not suing Allstate, but was in fact the defendant in a case where Peachtree Settlement Funding was the plaintiff and Allstate an interested party.

It is quite clear that this was litigation part and parcel to a settlement awarded the Gray family pursuant to their former landlord not properly removing lead paint from the home in which they lived.

The initial suit was filed by Carolina Gray, Freddie Gray's sister in Baltimore City Circuit Court in 2008 and settled in 2010. Four years later a suit regarding the purchase of the settlement was filed in Howard County Circuit Court by Peachtree Settlement Funding, and dismissed on April 2 of this year.

Some are noting different case numbers as an indication that the cases are unrelated, but that is not correct. Peachtree was not a party to the initial action in which the settlement was awarded, but rather purchased the settlement after the case was closed. Then, for an unknown business reason (as is common in commercial litigation) Peachtree sued the Gray family in a different county under a new case number, ultimately seeing the case dismissed. So while the case numbers and venues are different, the cases are related.

None of these cases involve car accidents or spinal injuries as reported by too many blogs this afternoon.

Freddie Gray's Lawsuit Had Nothing to do With a Spinal Injury - John Cardillo


Seems it's been debunked about the 'spinal surgery two week prior".
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Old 04-29-2015, 07:44 AM
 
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"An examination of court records reveals that Freddie Gray was not suing Allstate, but was in fact the defendant in a case where Peachtree Settlement Funding was the plaintiff and Allstate an interested party. It is quite clear that this was litigation part and parcel to a settlement awarded the Gray family pursuant to their former landlord not properly removing lead paint from the home in which they lived. The initial suit was filed by Carolina Gray, Freddie Gray's sister in Baltimore City Circuit Court in 2008 and settled in 2010. Four years later a suit regarding the purchase of the settlement was filed in Howard County Circuit Court by Peachtree Settlement Funding, and dismissed on April 2 of this year."

More here:

Freddie Gray's Lawsuit Had Nothing to do With a Spinal Injury - John Cardillo
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Old 04-29-2015, 07:52 AM
 
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It looks like someone was suing Freddy.
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Old 04-29-2015, 08:16 AM
 
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If the surgery report is true, it doesn't absolve the police of 100% of the fault for his death. It does, however, reduce the fault of the police. If he did have surgery a week prior to his arrest, then for such surgery the usual medical orders are rest and a prescribed light physical therapy exercises at home. This does not include walking the streets dealing drugs nor running from the police. His actions led to the standard take down. What wasn't standard on the part of the police was placing him in shackles in the van and not buckled in the seat for his protection nor not getting him medical attention in a timely manner. If the surgery case is true, if I were on a jury I'd assign half the fault to the victim for his decisions that ultimately led to his death. Any dollar amount would be cut in half and that would be my choice of monetary verdict.
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Old 04-29-2015, 08:29 AM
 
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As the OP suggested, Freddie Gray didn't have any spine surgery. His lawsuit was against the landlord for not properly removing lead paint.

Peachtree Settlement Funding sued the family but the COA was dismissed. Then PSF filed in another county.

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