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Old 04-29-2015, 08:50 AM
 
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so he deserved to be killed for non violent arrests, some not even convictions, is that what you're trying to say? i agree in that black men should minimize their interactions with cops for their own safety.
Of course he didn't deserved to "be killed". But he wasn't "killed", he died while in custody because of an accident.

But it's a fact that he wouldn't have "been killed" if he 1) hadn't run, 2) didn't have an illegal blade, 3) hadn't resisted arrest.
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Old 04-29-2015, 08:56 AM
 
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At the first stop, Gray was placed in leg irons.
The driver stopped a second time "to deal with Mr. Gray and the facts of that
interaction are under investigation," Davis said. The van stopped one more time
to add a second prisoner.


Batts told reporters that at the third stop an
officer saw Gray on the floor of the van, asking for a medic. The officer and
the van driver picked him up and put him on the seat, the commissioner said.



When the van arrived at the Western District
station, police called for an ambulance, said Davis, who is in charge of the
investigation.


An attorney for the Gray family said it was
positive news, but there is a more important issue.


"It's certainly a step towards acknowledging the
truth that the police did not follow their own internal regulations," Jason
Downs told CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront." "What it does not get at is, it does
not get at the core of this case and that is why did Mr. Gray need medical
attention in the first place? ... That's the question that still has not been
answered."


The developments came two days after a police
union attorney spoke of the possibility that the injuries occurred during a
"rough ride," a frequently claimed practice in which police vehicles are
deliberately driven in a way that injures suspects.


At least two suspects have won court cases against
the city after being left paralyzed in such rides over the last decade or so, The Baltimore Sun reported
Thursday.






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'I heard him screaming'




Police first encountered Gray as they patrolled an
area known for crime and drug activity. When Gray saw them, authorities said, he
started running.

Gray was arrested after police found what they
said was a switchblade on him. An attorney for Gray's family has said the knife
was a pocket knife of legal size.



Police: Freddie Gray didn't get timely medical care after arrest - CNN.com
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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At least two suspects have won court cases against
the city after being left paralyzed in such rides over the last decade or so, The Baltimore Sun reported
Thursday."

Obviously following spinal surgery and they would have paralyzed themselves if they weren't arrested and slammed around the back of a van.
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:22 AM
 
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At least two suspects have won court cases against
the city after being left paralyzed in such rides over the last decade or so, The Baltimore Sun reported
Thursday."

Obviously following spinal surgery and they would have paralyzed themselves if they weren't arrested and slammed around the back of a van.
It's fairly common, fairly common with prison transports, it was fairly common with local police a few decades ago, not so much anymore. It's called 'van therapy' or 'rough ride' Here's a link to the 2 referenced cases in Baltimore

Freddie Gray not the first to come out of Baltimore police van with serious injuries - Baltimore Sun
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:43 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Apparently Gray's attorney is denying that this guy had surgery, but then guess you have to consider the source.
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Source does look like some random far-right, Republican news site but if there's any truth to this.........it still doesn't justify what happened to Gray, the guy was demanding medical attention, even if the cops thought he was b******tting, its really not their call to make, get a medical professional to determine that and THEN take him to jail.

They aren't presenting the the information as anything but speculation at this point, not as immutable facts as we know many media outlet sources do.
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:52 AM
 
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yes, i remember when Mike Brown, Trayvon and Tamir Rice went to Rikers that time


Mike brown was 100% at fault we don't need to discuss this further

Trayvon was not killed by a cop but by a random citizen who I think should be in jail since he instigated the event.

Rice kid was brandishing a gun even if it wasn't a gun.


you need to get a grip on reality sir.
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:58 AM
 
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and what about all the law abiding black men killed by police? what is your advice for them? stay inside? don't open the door? this guy was a petty criminal and now he is dead instead of in court or jail for any crimes he committed, because these cops are the real criminals.

Which ones?
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Old 04-29-2015, 10:05 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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That's the part that confuses me, it has him listed as a defendant and Peachtree as a plaintiff with an attorney listed but there's no actual case listed such as in the matter of Peachtree vs Gray....etc...
I don't have any idea how the courts handle these types of transactions or settlements, but isn't Peachtree a financial institution? The article stated that Freddie Gray had received a structured settlement from Allstate related to an auto accident. The authors also said he was attempting to convert the settlement payments into a one lump-sum payment, and these court records provided documentation for this attempt. I'd imagine that Peachtree was providing the settlement payments to Freddie and he wanted the payments changed to a lump sum. I didn't know that required going to court but you learn something new every day.
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Old 04-29-2015, 10:32 AM
 
Location: P.C.F
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Lets start with the fact that your link and someplace you may well frequent, is of questionable repute..
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On one hand you question my link, then you make an accusation as if it was fact and without a link.
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