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Old 04-29-2015, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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It's a revolving door folks. They wear their number of convictions like a badge.
In some communities (not just talking about black), a first stretch in the penitentiary is like a rite of passage. But that street cred only works if they get out shortly thereafter to show off their badge on the street.

I have to say, popular music and film don't help either. American culture has glorified gangsters before, but gangsta music and videos/films encourage an attitude on a wide scale that is just not in the interest of these communities.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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How about investing in youths?

Start training programs and get them working.

Teach them construction, carpentry, mechanics, etc..

If we give a person a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a person to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.

Then the Police need to start having some form of community participation like a block party, a BBQ, a PAL, so that folks can see, not all police are brutal.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:34 AM
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Location: LEAVING CD
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How about investing in youths?

Start training programs and get them working.

Teach them construction, carpentry, mechanics, etc..


If we give a person a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a person to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.

Then the Police need to start having some form of community participation like a block party, a BBQ, a PAL, so that folks can see, not all police are brutal.
To add to this <bold> bring jobs that require these skills back to the U.S. instead of shipping 'em overseas.
Back in the early 70's we had something called Youth Employment Project that paid minimum wage to work alongside city workers. Kids worked in parks/streets/recreation departments for the summer. Taught some good skills, made the kids some money and kept 'em busy.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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The US doesn't ship many construction and carpentry jobs overseas.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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How about investing in youths?

Start training programs and get them working.

Teach them construction, carpentry, mechanics, etc..

If we give a person a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a person to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.

Then the Police need to start having some form of community participation like a block party, a BBQ, a PAL, so that folks can see, not all police are brutal.
All good ideas, no question about it.
But who in, for example, Baltimore is going to pay for all this?
Should Maryland residents be assessed additional taxes?
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Old 04-29-2015, 12:02 PM
 
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Baltimore and America needs more of this. We need more people to take up the task of leading youth to be positive members of society.

In Baltimore protests, 300 Men group aims to be 'neutral force'


When you think about the looters they are mostly 15 to 25 year old degenerates raised without strong parental figures and positive influences. Instead they are raised on the street and learn about life from other bad influences like drug dealers, criminals, ex cons, pimps and the police are automatic enemies. Other influences on these young minds are violent video games and movies where the guy with the gun gets the girls and the money.

Little Freddie was arrested 25 times. Is this normal for a inner city young male?

We all saw the mother of that 15 year old kid who was dressed like a member of isis pull him off the street and slap him around sending him home. With a mom like that that one kid might get it and remove himself from the street influence.

The members of the 300 men group all get it, they survived the streets and now want to bring a sense of society to their neighborhoods and that is terrific.
The trouble with these young looters is they don't get it. They are too short sighted to understand that they are tearing up their hood and hurting their own people.

Perhaps these 300 men can share their experience and show them the way to becoming a positive member of society.
I agree that we need more men (and women) like this. Growing up without a strong role model in the house even for myself was difficult. I am female, and we are not immune to falling from grace when we are left without any guidance.
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Old 04-29-2015, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I believe that being arrested is a rite of passage and the more times the more street cred you get. Freddie had been arrested 25 times mostly for drug possesion and stealing.

There might be a liberal arguement to be made here.... The system let him down and lead to his death. This is a stretch but being arrested so many times before and.... considering that we are probably not counting his juvenile record 25 times is a lot. He should have figured it out himself that he is not a good criminal. Practice does not make perfect. He should have been in jail, where he would have been safe so argued the liberal lawyer. The revolving door justice system led to this young mans death.

Sounds crazy yes but besides a stint in jail how was Freddie going to get the message that you do the crime you do the time?
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Old 04-29-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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I believe that being arrested is a rite of passage and the more times the more street cred you get. Freddie had been arrested 25 times mostly for drug possesion and stealing.

There might be a liberal arguement to be made here.... The system let him down and lead to his death. This is a stretch but being arrested so many times before and.... considering that we are probably not counting his juvenile record 25 times is a lot. He should have figured it out himself that he is not a good criminal. Practice does not make perfect. He should have been in jail, where he would have been safe so argued the liberal lawyer. The revolving door justice system led to this young mans death.

Sounds crazy yes but besides a stint in jail how was Freddie going to get the message that you do the crime you do the time?
The system didn't fail him, his family and upbringing did. We cannot blame the system on all our problems. The he fell into a cycle in which he did not know how to escape from.
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Old 04-29-2015, 12:23 PM
 
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The real problem is we still see juvenile crimes as in the past; something mostly for the parents to handle after juvenile is released to them. In most states the reason to remove the juvenile from parent control to state is that no supervision is available or none being administered. The number of state facilities is very small in most states. That is why gangs love juvenile members; nothing much happens to them for committing crime;s even felonies unless very violent.
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Old 04-29-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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All good ideas, no question about it.
But who in, for example, Baltimore is going to pay for all this?
Should Maryland residents be assessed additional taxes?

budget it in.

The Mayor, the Governor can ask for this to be done.

If one really wants to help the youths in their community, those in power should find a way. Procurement is another way to go.

Last edited by Amythyst; 04-29-2015 at 12:28 PM.. Reason: added procurement sentence
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