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Old 06-15-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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It is a shame so many posters feel the need to bang on about it going on for decades...

The thing is, the scale has been ramping up and climbing up the food chain.

In the past it was lower skilled call centers and manufacturing. over time it has morphed into on shore foreign workers displacing higher and higher skilled workers so that spending $150,000 to get that great degree may take much longer to pay off if it ever does.

IT workers are seeing the skill ladder being pulled up behind them and in front of them. College leavers are finding their degrees must compete with a degree holder in India who has a much lower cost of living and a lower standard of living, until these things either level out or we create blockages the US worker is unlikely to prosper outside of "big" software.
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Old 06-15-2015, 05:18 PM
 
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Aren't you C-D forumers all for free market Capitalism? Here you go!
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Old 06-15-2015, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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We live in a global economy which will require people to be more proactive with their careers.
Good luck being more proactive when someone living in India or China can do your job for 1/10th the cost. Unless you're at the very top of your trade and in high demand, your skill and education will be less important than the minimum amount of money you're willing to work for. Which means that 90% of people are eventually screwed even if they are skilled and educated.

Mexico has been losing manufacturing to China and China has been losing to Vietnam, there's always someone willing to do your job for less money because they live in a country with lower quality of life and lower cost level.

The workers, for most part, can only compete locally while the companies can leverage global workforce, building in the countries with low cost of living and selling to the countries that have higher cost of living until these countries drop to the lower level; this is only going to stop when everyone's equally poor. We have yet ways to go.
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Old 06-15-2015, 10:38 PM
 
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They don't have to give them the same wage. They have to give them at least minimum wage.

They just busted a company for paying a bunch of H1bs 1.10 per hour. Made them back pay it up to minimum wage. They were using one of those "tipped employee" loopholes to avoid the paltry $8 per hr minimum.

These were tech guys.
H-1B Program - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - U.S. Department of Labor

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The law establishes certain standards in order to protect similarly employed U.S. workers from being adversely affected by the employment of the nonimmigrant workers, as well as to protect the H-1B nonimmigrant workers. Employers must attest to the Department of Labor that they will pay wages to the H-1B nonimmigrant workers that are at least equal to the actual wage paid by the employer to other workers with similar experience and qualifications for the job in question, or the prevailing wage for the occupation in the area of intended employment whichever is greater.
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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Everyone concerned w/H1B problems please read up on the TPP free trade deal...much bigger, much worse

Rich People's Rules and the TPP*|*Dean Baker
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The way around that...fire workers, reclassify and rename job title, hire H1-B

I've seen it done.

High levels of engineer titles get changed to "Software analyst" or "Software consultant".

Here's some irony..NYC hired a bunch of H1-B workers to work on Cobol and mainframe coding.
Right up the road a ways in Poughkeepsie is IBM with how many working/retired Cobol/mainframe coders ?
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Old 06-16-2015, 12:01 PM
 
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Former employers used to do that dance pretty well. They'd fly over a couple of managers to India and interview candidates. Within a couple of months, here they are. Soon to be followed by a family. The bottom line was unchanged, as anyone could see the salaries being paid were in line with the local job market. So what was the point? Control. They were (and still are) indentured servants. Work nights and weekends. On call 24/7. The company lawyers would keep the process going beyond the 5-year H1B duration. Never a green card, just more extensions of the H1B. They could not leave without becoming deported unless some other company was eager to take over the sponsorship (and none would). They soon had kids, a car or two, maybe even a house or condo (bought, not rented). The cost of pulling up all that and going home was a tremendous burden. You could see it in their eyes. They knew they were stuck despite making more than they ever would back home.
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Old 06-16-2015, 12:09 PM
 
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Simple answer is don't go to Disney, or buy Chinese junk. The American consumer has the power to change things, but it needs to remove its collective head from its posterior.
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Old 06-16-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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Simple answer is don't go to Disney, or buy Chinese junk. The American consumer has the power to change things, but it needs to remove its collective head from its posterior.
Disney are no longer dependent on the American consumer.
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Old 06-16-2015, 12:22 PM
 
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On a tangent, has anyone noticed the admission price trend lately? They'd better replace the entire workforce with H1Bs, else the annual increase will hit over 20%. I love how the parks jam in so many people that it is now impossible to hit every ride in a single day unless you have extended hours and a very determined group. Fastpass used to help quite a bit in the early days, but now everyone is in on it.
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