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Old 04-30-2015, 11:18 PM
 
Location: la la land
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Come on, the guy was running pot ! His denial of having cash before it was found, the smell of raw pot, him saying he didn't even have money for a motel room, etc, etc. Any legit guy would have said he had money in there for buying a home, and would not have had it in backpacks. Most people would have put it in the bank and had it transferred when they got to where they were going. Much safer and smarter.

Every year my Sons and I make a trip to buy a lot of car parts and we carry a lot of cash because at a swap meet you can't use a credit card. But if I were stopped I would certainly tell the cop I had it and why I had it. It is not illegal to have a lot of cash on you, but it does raise suspicions when you hide it and try to deceive the cop. (not to mention the drug related pamphlets ! )

Nope, he is a drug runner.

Don
end of argument then, you think it's ok to seize the property of a person who is not convicted of a criminal offense and I think it is an abhorrent practice that needs to be stopped.
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Old 05-01-2015, 04:25 AM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Nothing more than hater sour grapes...
An appeals court looked at it extensively

How many times has this personally happened too you ... instead of internet stories ..that begs the question...
My opinion.. never
I get you don't like civil seizures... and when presented in the skewed context of a story they might appear oppressive ... in this case after multiple reviews found to be legal
If we had the police report to view it might give context ... so..as a good searcher of police misconduct please go find it
Perhaps then more of us could support the position of this thread
Thanks

All intoxicating drugs are potentially harmful for the world
Which begs the second question
Do we accept the world that people who use drugs want.. dysfunctional stoned out
No..we do not...
You really do hate the Constitution don't you?

Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Old 05-01-2015, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Civil forfeiture can be easy to abuse but this doesn't really seem like it. He was running drugs and got his drug money seized.

http://media.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/15/03/141787P.pdf

So he was convicted of a crime for drug running then?
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:52 AM
 
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I wouldn't carry large sums in a backpack either nor, I think, would most people -- but that doesn't mean that it is, in effect, inherently indicative of criminal activity to do so. Cash is legal. And people who engage in all sorts of cash based businesses do carry wads of rubberband-bundled cash at times.
But they can easily document what cash based business they are engaged in, if it's legal. Own a pawn shop, auto junkyard, downtown parking lot, etc. and you can easily show that. If you're pimping, drug dealing, smuggling, or running an underground gambling house you might have issues.

However, on principle, I oppose confiscation without at least a civil trial before a jury.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:31 AM
 
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Things like that happen every single day. It's pathetic.

I am guessing things will get worse before they get better. With the winds of change in the air, many agencies might be sensing this gravy train coming to an end. So before it does they are going to want to get as much as they possibly can from us, the general public, the enemy in this drug war.

Well, our new Attorney General had no problem with civil asset forfeiture so the trend is not reversing.
Loretta Lynch Has No Problem With Civil Asset Forfeiture -- And That's A Problem - Forbes
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:19 PM
 
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Well, our new Attorney General had no problem with civil asset forfeiture so the trend is not reversing.
Yes, that is not surprising.

The winds of change I'm referring to is that we are heading towards a time where having a small amount of pot no longer means you can lose your car or house or freedom because of it.

That's the gravy train that law enforcement agencies and for-profit prisons have been living off of for decades now. Thankfully that is changing.

Those institutions will have to adapt, but obviously they are going down fighting.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:43 PM
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Location: "Arlen" Texas
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This is why they should not let police keep money or valuables. It makes them nothing more than mercenaries.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:48 PM
 
Location: la la land
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Well, our new Attorney General had no problem with civil asset forfeiture so the trend is not reversing.
Loretta Lynch Has No Problem With Civil Asset Forfeiture -- And That's A Problem - Forbes
yeah I read that and was appalled when I saw how many legislators were claiming how great she is, sounds like business as usual to me.
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Old 05-01-2015, 01:13 PM
 
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Wow, no kidding! In addition to what you wrote, these findings are simply disturbing:



So, if you can't prove you are an "innocent owner" then sorry, you lose your money.

I also noted that they purposely disregard the fact that almost all currency has been involved in drug deals at some point in its existence. So if a dog hits on your money because someone else used it in a drug deal, then sorry, you lose your money.

It is very obvious to me that NO ONE could win a battle with this court if their money was seized. There is just no way. Once it is seized, it is lost. The cops know that.

Talk about a law that can be abused! Ha! It is so woefully bad, law agencies CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES, this law just invites abuse.

Notmeofficer, can you provide me with even one case where suspected drug-related seizures were made, but the court later returned the assets?
So the presumption of innocence doesn't exist anymore? Unbelievable.
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