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Old 05-01-2015, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Austin
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And I'm repelled by armchair warriors. But I digress.
Please. You have 20,000 posts. Qualification for commander in chief.

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I do understand that, since I am individualistic and believe in self sufficiency myself. I have very high expectations of others. I also believe in empowering others and helping people WHO ARE WILLING TO HELP THEMSELVES to reach their potential.
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I guess I am of the opinion that "If I'm not part of the solution, I may be part of the problem."
No that really isn't true. No personal offense to you for using it but that's been a trite cliche since it was made up. There are many problems that we can help with but the world is also full of problems that WE can't solve ... Things that are so intimately related to the people involved that only they can solve them. The plight of the black underclass has now boiled down to something that's on them.

Jim Crow is over, voting rights are a done deal, affirmative action gives a boost to African Americans trying to get into college, we have federal hiring quotas and employer discrimination is scrutinized and is basically a thing of the past. The playing field is now about as level as it gets. There is no more institutional racism in America. At a personal level? ... Yes but not institutional. I dare anyone to show where that exists.

The black community isn't being held back from success by the government, by white people, the educational system or by the police. They're being held back by the most basic fundamentals that only they can fix. Until they can restore a family structure where fathers take responsibility and start raising their kids, until mothers teach their daughters to not start having babies at 15 with worthless irresponsible men, until families start teaching their kids the value of education and hard work, until parents stigmatize crime to their young children and they drop the self-destructive attitude that success equals "being white" then there's no hope. Kids sent to school will have no interest in learning and will do their time disrupting and making teaching impossible. With no useful education and no parentally instilled civic values then you have people who will never succeed no matter how much aid or assistance is thrown at them. WE can't solve this most basic root cause of the black underclass. It's at the family level. Only they can solve it. You're not part of the problem and you won't be part of the solution.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:01 AM
 
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Is it un-PC to ask why so many single black women have a lot of kids? We're in the 21st century, and yet some people don't seem to be familiar with the concept of contraception.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Why do you guys love generalizating so much??? :\ Black people aren't concerned with improving their lives unless they're spoon fed opportunities? Huh???? Where's your PROOF?
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Fairfield of the Ohio
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Question:

What did any of you do this week to help eradicate any of the following:

1. Police brutality
2. Inner city poverty
3. Crime rates among those in poverty
4. Racism

Please share.
What did any of the rioters in Baltimore do to eradicate any of the above listed either? Quite the opposite would be more factual.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:14 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Why do you guys love generalizating so much??? :\ Black people aren't concerned with improving their lives unless they're spoon fed opportunities? Huh???? Where's your PROOF?
It is a generalization, and there are definitely exceptions to the rule (e.g., MoviePass was founded by a black man). But the "proof" that this type of handout craving is the rule rather than the exception comes to you every day with black people asking for financial "reparations" for what their great great great grandparents enduredbut they themselves did notand demanding more Affirmative Action rather than less.

Do you see the Chinese championing Affirmative Action? No, they go out and try to get ahead on their own. And guess what? They succeed.

Heck, here in NYC, the subways are filled with black people begging white people for money. Probably 25 or 50 black beggars doing that for every 1 white person or immigrant begging everyone on the train for handouts and cash.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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It is a generalization, and there are definitely exceptions to the rule (e.g., MoviePass was founded by a black man). But the "proof" that this type of handout craving is the rule rather than the exception comes to you every day with black people asking for financial "reparations" for what their great great great grandparents enduredbut they themselves did notand demanding more Affirmative Action rather than less.

Do you see the Chinese championing Affirmative Action? No, they go out and try to get ahead on their own. And guess what? They succeed.

Heck, here in NYC, the subways are filled with black people begging white people for money. Probably 25 or 50 black people doing that for every 1 white person or immigrant begging everyone on the train for handouts and cash.
Not to argue with you because I can see this conversation heading south really fast, but I see... er... other groups in NYC begging for change more than I see black people. Not that I consider that a significant sample size to base theories off of anyway, but that's just me.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:26 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Not to argue with you because I can see this conversation heading south really fast, but I see... er... other groups in NYC begging for change more than I see black people. Not that I consider that a significant sample size to base theories off of anyway, but that's just me.
What? I've lived in NYC for years and maybe 90-95% of the beggars here, on every train, are black. Now the people who play instruments and take donations in exchange for entertainment, many of those are Latino.

I personally have never given a dime to someone who doesn't even bother to entertain me, and never will. But those Peruvian flutists get me every time! They're amazing.

You're right though, even more indicative are the very leaders of the black community. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, on down the line, asking for "reparations" on behalf of their great great grandparents, more Affirmative Action, and other handouts from society.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:28 AM
 
Location: "Arlen" Texas
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Also saw on TV this morning a black child in a fake arrest because he was rude to his teacher. News this week: It's sassy and fun if black women abuse their children. Now we know.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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What? I've lived in NYC for years and maybe 90-95% of the beggars here, on every train, are black. Now the people who play instruments and take donations in exchange for entertainment, many of those are Latino.

I personally have never given a dime to someone who doesn't even bother to entertain me, and never will. But those Peruvian flutists get me every time! They're amazing.

You're right though, even more indicative are the very leaders of the black community. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, on down the line, asking for "reparations" on behalf of their great great grandparents, more Affirmative Action, and other handouts from society.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson certainly aren't my leaders. You tried it.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:08 PM
 
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Lets not forget this long before ANY of us were alive. No black person alive today was ever a slave, no white person was a slave owner. Lets let go of the past instead of holding a part of history blacks have no part of over whites (who also had no part of) heads. I'm sick of hearing this reasoning, it has been beaten like a dead horse.
My point wasn't to claim that anyone alive today was a slave/slave owner, but to say that the comparison between black and other immigrant groups is not a good comparison. Blacks have contributed a lot to this country's success.
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