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Old 05-01-2015, 10:19 AM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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I have a hard time believing that it was homicide and an illegal arrest, but we'll see.
Yeah, what do those medical examiners know.



Anyways, I'm not sure if there was intent and if that can be proven without a doubt in court, so it'll be interesting how it plays out in court.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:20 AM
 
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No argument, certainly guilty of violation of procedures and negligent actions but murder 2? Not from my reading of the law in Maryland.
Reckless homicide? Sure. False arrest? Maybe. Failure to render aid? Ok but Murder?
His spine was severed and voicebox damaged.

The guy in the next door to him said he didn't hear any noise in the next van cell over. He was only picked up for the last six minutes of the ride. The cops were with Gray for the first 30 minutes alone.

This crap ruling is to pacify the public, because anything less would be a problem, especially after Eric Garner's killer getting off.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:23 AM
 
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A statement for charges against six police officers was filed Friday morning,
she said. Warrants have been issued for their arrests, but it was not released
whether they had been arrested yet.





One officer the driver of the police van has been charged with several
counts, including second-degree depraved-heart murder. Another officer has been
charged with several counts, including manslaughter and involuntary
manslaughter. Two other officers have been charged with several counts,
including involuntary manslaughter. And two other officers are charged with
several counts, including second-degree assault.






Mosby said that three Baltimore police officers illegally arrested Gray on
April 12. She also said that a knife that Gray had was not illegal.
Freddie Gray death ruled homicide; 6 officers charged | WTKR.com



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Depraved heart murder is a characterization of a particular circumstance of
second degree murder. Second degree murder, which criminal law defines as a
depraved heart murder, is characterized by murder conducted with reckless
disregard for the consequences of the preceding act.
more at link
Depraved Heart Murder - criminal | Laws.com
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:24 AM
 
Location: la la land
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But will they all stick? Doubtfull.
I think they will stick, as I posted before it is impossible for anyone to generate enough velocity inside of a Police Van to self inflict these injuries, it would require some action on the part of the van driver. But your desperation to exonerate the cops has resulted in you denying the laws of physics and continuing (in other threads) to claim that Gray injured himself



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Old 05-01-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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yes, seems like murder 2 is a stretch. But the negligent homicide, manslaughter or assault charge could stick on one or more. Maybe. Possibly. Depending on the makeup of the jury. Depending on if Baltimore burns down between now and then.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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Maryland State's Attorney: Gray's death was a homicide.

All 6 officers will be charged in Freddie Gray's death.

Arrest was illegal (per State's attorney).

Charges will include 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, assault, negligence.
First step to finding out the truth.

If they're guilty, they need to pay the price.

If they're not, it needs to be put behind them.

Still no reason to burn down a neighborhood, hurting innocent people and destroying the livelihood of business owners.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:26 AM
 
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yes, seems like murder 2 is a stretch. But the negligent homicide, manslaughter or assault charge could stick on one or more. Maybe. Possibly. Depending on the makeup of the jury. Depending on if Baltimore burns down between now and then.

Leaves room for a plea deal.

I posted the definition of the 2nd degree heart murder and it's akin to involuntary manslaughter.

So it would depend on how a jury rules after the evidence is presented.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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I think that it was you that argued on another thread about people not believing anything that was contrary to their political agenda. Perhaps you should read your own posts and take a moment or two for some serious self-reflection.
Not me who is saying it Mr. Wino. I stand by what I said. She has no real choice.

Baltimore's Prosecutor Revealed: How State's Attorney who will decide on Freddie Gray death charges took campaign cash from dead man's family lawyer - and now civil rights defender is 'running interference

I think it will be fascinating to watch how this turns out.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:31 AM
 
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Leaves room for a plea deal.

I posted the definition of the 2nd degree heart murder and it's akin to involuntary manslaughter.

So it would depend on how a jury rules after the evidence is presented.
wrong. The charge was 2nd degree murder with an enhancement "second-degree depraved heart murder"

In Robinson v State, Justice Adkins of the Court of Appeals of Maryland relied on this extract of extant jurisprudence:

"Depraved heart murder is the form of murder that establishes that the willful doing of a dangerous and reckless act with wanton indifference to the consequences and perils involved, is just as blameworthy, and just as worthy of punishment, when the harmful result ensues, as is the express intent to kill itself. This highly blameworthy state of mind is not one of mere negligence. It is not merely one even of gross criminal negligence. It involves rather the deliberate perpetration of a knowingly dangerous act with reckless and wanton unconcern and indifference as to whether anyone is harmed or not. The common law treats such a state of mind as just as blameworthy, just as anti-social and, therefore, just as truly murderous as the specific intents to kill and to harm."
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:32 AM
 
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I think they will stick, as I posted before it is impossible for anyone to generate enough velocity inside of a Police Van to self inflict these injuries, it would require some action on the part of the van driver. But your desperation to exonerate the cops has resulted in you denying the laws of physics and continuing (in other threads) to claim that Gray injured himself



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I believe charges with stick as well.

It would lie within a jury to convict or acquit but with those severe injuries FG suffered, I think the State could prove their case.

Illegal detention over a legal knife, this young man should not have died as he did.
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