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Old 05-01-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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Not necessarily. It depends on the specific conditions of probation offered by each state. I do not know where Maryland law stands on this, but the Griffin vs. Wisconsin case proved it.
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I didn't think we were in disagreement regarding probationary suspects, just on the multiple arrestees.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:09 AM
 
Location: la la land
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Gray was on probation. Technically, I believe that any officer could stop and search him legally as part of the terms of his probation.
how do you know he was on probation? I understand that he had been on probation earlier, but I sure don't see a charge of violating probation in the charging document, do you?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/263671802/...ging-Documents
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:14 AM
 
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We'll never know why he ran. My guess is he thought, 'Oh drat, they got me again' [for the 19th or 22nd or however many times it was] and I might get serious time.'

He survived many prior arrests by cops so this was a unique experience.
Yes he obviously survived with his life during many prior arrests. But there are a lot of bad things that occur that don't rise to the level of death while in custody, and that is my point. You point out that Mr. Gray had an extensive arrest record, almost entirely for small time drug possession, and many of those case were dismissed. So we know that Mr. Gray had rather extensive experience with the conditions that I outlined above, which for most of us are pretty damned horrific and that is the point.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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how do you know he was on probation? I understand that he had been on probation earlier, but I sure don't see a charge of violating probation in the charging document, do you?

[scribd]263671802[/scribd]http://www.scribd.com/doc/263671802/Freddie-Gray-Charging-Documents[/url]
According to the Baltimore Sun, he received "probation after conviction" of a drug charge in August of 2014. I do not know the expiration date however of that probation.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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I have no skin in the game over whether or not the knife was legal. I only wanted to point out that as a multiple offender, he was subject to search by any police officer at any time.
understood.

what about fleeing the officers? would that be considered a probation violation?
seems like it would.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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understood.

what about fleeing the officers? would that be considered a probation violation?
seems like it would.
A probation violation does not deserve a death sentence. Why did the cops even need to bother with him?

Just because.

Because why?

Because they can.
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Old 05-01-2015, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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Must be the pits to have all these interactions with law enforcement and the court system. How do so many of us manage to live our entire lives without a rap sheet?
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Old 05-01-2015, 07:07 PM
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Location: LEAVING CD
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Must be the pits to have all these interactions with law enforcement and the court system. How do so many of us manage to live our entire lives without a rap sheet?
Very,very lucky.

Why do people run from cops? Easy, they might just get away and not be caught again for quite a while. As Freddie's bail bondsman has said "he ran because the last time he stood still he caught a case".

It's not so much the cops that've gotten out of hand, tune-up's and attitude adjustments that's nothing new and has been around long before anyone on here were born.

What's gotten out of hand is our cities,counties,states and U.S. government using the law (both existing and by creating thousands of new ones yearly) to impose taxes (fines) and manipulate the population at the end of a gun.
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Old 05-01-2015, 07:22 PM
 
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Must be the pits to have all these interactions with law enforcement and the court system. How do so many of us manage to live our entire lives without a rap sheet?
It is and do I need to explain this to you?
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Old 05-01-2015, 08:19 PM
 
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That means he was even more stupid to run OP. Basically he just commit a violation no matter if the arrest on knife was illegal arrest. Its same as risking arrest ;even if not charge with original you can't resist; that is the supreme court that long ago ruled that.Only dumby criminals run from law because the offenses just start building. No resistance;keep mouth shut and seek council.
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