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Old 05-03-2015, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Good lord, you criminal apologist people who believe that everybody who's not rushing to blame 6 (at this point innocent) cops for murder throw all common sense,critical thinking AND the legal premise of "innocent until proven guilty" out the window just to promote your agenda...

Let me ask this, if all of Freddie's arrests don't mean squat because he was not convicted, which has been said here many,many times then how exactly are the cops guilty because they were charged and not (yet) convicted?
Is the benefit of the doubt only given to those without a badge and no prior arrests?
I don't understand your logic here. There was no "Innocent till proven Guilty" for Freddy. He just arrested and detained for nothing. Major Civil Rights violation. The Civil Rights Violations where also Criminal and lead to his Death. You can't complain about "Innocent till Proven Guilty" because the Cops thought it did not apply to their "Agenda", so why should we think it applies to them.

Freddy's previous record has no part in this Case, since he is the Victim and not on trial here. We have enough evidence already to know that the Cops are guilty, but not sure as to the degree yet, from the charges presented. They can't change the fact that they killed him, and/or let him die. If you think they will be set free, you need to think again.

All the Police Unions in the Nation can't help these folks.
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:14 PM
Status: "Finally Done With C-D BYE BYE" (set 15 days ago)
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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What agenda? And how am I throwing common sense and critical thinking to the wind? I'm not the one trying to blame heroin and weed for a severed spine and crushed throat. You clearly have an agenda of blaming the victim. All evidence points at the officers but you decided to ignore evidence and shut your brain off just to side with the cops. It has nothing to do with "innocence until proven guilty" and everything to do with common decency and critical thinking.



Freddie Gray's arrests don't mean squat because he wasn't killed by his rap sheet, he was killed by the police, be it through a failure to follow proper procedure or through sheer malice. He's dead because of what the police did to him and at every stage of these events the police did everything wrong. They arrested him without cause, they gave him a "rough ride" to abuse him, they ignored his pleas for help and screams of agony, and they falsified reports to cover up their crimes. You cannot argue against these points because this is what the evidence shows. Until there's new evidence that shows otherwise you're just spinning yarns and making excuses for bad cops.
Actually, I didn't blame anyone as nobody knows exactly what happened at this point. I did raise the issue that there are cops who've reported that the prelim tox report showed Freddie to have Heroin and Pot in his system which in my opinion, logically thinking (I'm NOT a doctor) could have led to his demise for various reasons.

As for "all evidence points at the officers" well, which officer exactly and what did that officer do to cause his demise? Who exactly broke his neck and how was it done? Who "crushed his windpipe" and how was that done? When exactly did he die?

Ahhh, don't know any of that do any of you? I know I don't.
Thing is, nobody on here does and won't until discovery occurs or trial if there's a gag order.
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:17 PM
Status: "Finally Done With C-D BYE BYE" (set 15 days ago)
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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I don't understand your logic here. There was no "Innocent till proven Guilty" for Freddy. He just arrested and detained for nothing. Major Civil Rights violation. The Civil Rights Violations where also Criminal and lead to his Death. You can't complain about "Innocent till Proven Guilty" because the Cops thought it did not apply to their "Agenda", so why should we think it applies to them.

Freddy's previous record has no part in this Case, since he is the Victim and not on trial here. We have enough evidence already to know that the Cops are guilty, but not sure as to the degree yet, from the charges presented. They can't change the fact that they killed him, and/or let him die. If you think they will be set free, you need to think again.

All the Police Unions in the Nation can't help these folks.
You don't know that for certain, you,like everyone else is just going off what was said by the S.A. which is NOT proven as of yet, it's no more than a theory at this point.
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:23 PM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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I guess the medical examiner's finding just don't mean squat to some people.


The irony is strong in this one.
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Brawndo-Thirst-Mutilator-Nation
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So heroin and pot would make his spinal cord herniate and his voice box crush itself??? What like when the alien creature comes out from the inside out??? WOW?! That's freaky. You're right, the cops are home free.

OH HAPPY DAY!


Nope, but it would make him feel a LOT less pain when he is injuring himself.

Watch some episodes of Cops, people in custody try to injure themselves all the time. Not saying that is what happened to Mr. Gray.......but it is a possibility!
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Old 05-03-2015, 09:13 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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Actually, I didn't blame anyone as nobody knows exactly what happened at this point. I did raise the issue that there are cops who've reported that the prelim tox report showed Freddie to have Heroin and Pot in his system which in my opinion, logically thinking (I'm NOT a doctor) could have led to his demise for various reasons.
That's not logical at all. It's stupid. The cops didn't strap him in and the only way he could have had his spine severed the way it was is by being slammed into a bolt at very high velocity. Heroin and weed don't factor into that at all. You don't get to play the logic card because your thought process is so entirely flawed and biased.

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As for "all evidence points at the officers" well, which officer exactly and what did that officer do to cause his demise? Who exactly broke his neck and how was it done? Who "crushed his windpipe" and how was that done? When exactly did he die?
Ahhh, don't know any of that do any of you? I know I don't.
Thing is, nobody on here does and won't until discovery occurs or trial if there's a gag order.
We know who has been charged with what and what happened to Freddie Gray. And guess what? This isn't a court of law. Those thugs get no due process here. They killed Freddie Gray and none of your mental gymnastics will change that.
Your bigotry is showing.

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Nope, but it would make him feel a LOT less pain when he is injuring himself.

Watch some episodes of Cops, people in custody try to injure themselves all the time. Not saying that is what happened to Mr. Gray.......but it is a possibility!
Why don't you do a little research before spewing nonsense. He didn't injure himself. Those reports were false and his wounds are entirely inconsistent with self-harm. The medical examiner ruled his death a homicide for a reason.

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Old 05-03-2015, 09:25 PM
 
Location: la la land
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Nope, but it would make him feel a LOT less pain when he is injuring himself.

Watch some episodes of Cops, people in custody try to injure themselves all the time. Not saying that is what happened to Mr. Gray.......but it is a possibility!
I think that (in bold) is the problem with some of you folks, you watch too much TV
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Old 05-03-2015, 10:41 PM
 
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You know what would've prevented all of this? If he had lived like a law abiding citizen like the majority of people.

let me fix this ^^

You know what would've prevented all of this? If the Cops had lived like law abiding citizens like the majority of people

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Old 05-03-2015, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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You don't know that for certain, you,like everyone else is just going off what was said by the S.A. which is NOT proven as of yet, it's no more than a theory at this point.

You and I both know that the evidence that has already been submitted is enough to get them Jail time, even if they don't have anything else. Its more than "Theory" to say he was wrongly arrested, and held, and was alive. He died while they had him illegally. That's facts. I see Jail time coming.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. It applies to Cops too. A good "Wake Up" call to all Police who bend the rules, and think they are beyond the Law.
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Old 05-03-2015, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Watch some episodes of Cops, people in custody try to injure themselves all the time. Not saying that is what happened to Mr. Gray.......but it is a possibility!
No its not. Not even a remote Possibility.

He had no business being in the van in the first place. It was an illegal arrest and detention. In plain language, they basically kidnapped him.
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