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Your not making any sense at all as an "apologist." Facts are he was arrested and kidnapped for no reason, shackled for no reason, and killed in the hands of the Police. That's all that is needed to know. These Police will do time. You can't spin that off.
Personally I do think that the officers were grossly negligent and I do hope that at least some of the 6 will be convicted on some of the charges, even if that means just the lesser ones. But the reality is, the system is set up to protect officers.
One example is that Officer Miller is being charged with false imprisonment, which is extremely uncommon. The argument by Mosby is that there was no probable cause to arrest Gray. But...Probable cause means exactly that its probable. It means that the officers reasoning behind a probable cause doesn't have to be correct, simply that there is enough to believe an arrest is warranted. If officers made a mistake in arresting a civilian then the correction to that mistake would be to have the charges dropped; probably cause give officers this much leeway for mistakes.
So the next argument is that "well the knife/blade/w/e was found inside his pocket so they couldn't possible have probably cause if they couldn't see what was in his pocket". And that statement in it of itself is correct. But the officers made eye contact with Gray, at that point he ran. If someone runs from an officer in a high crime area you can be DETAINED. During detainment you can be cuffed and be searched. And I am sure that the defense would say that the blade was found during that detainment and then he was charged with carrying a weapon.
Even if (big IF) he had drugs and swallowed them and they contributed to his death, that still does not explain his severe spinal injury and crushed voice box ---- or ---- does it in your magical make-believe land?
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Some may call it that because some don't know what bigoted means. Looking for any excuse, no matter how stupid, to excuse a black man's death is actually bigoted.
Ah, the old "I'm not an expert, but let me tell you why you're wrong and I'm right" routine. Try again.
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This is an absolute false dichotomy. You argue like you cannot employ logical thought at all.
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Well, we do know what didn't happen..He wasn't buckled into van and he was obviously in pain when initially thrown onto stomach into that van handcuffed behind his back then of course the rather round-a-bout side for 45 minutes stopping 4 other times until when arrivals @PD he was unresponsive and paramedics called..found him VSA (Vital Signs Absent)..Following that description of 80% of spinal cord severed and larynx crushed..had surgery to stabilize neck..unconscious/intubated on life support for a week ..then pronounced DEAD!
Now as for what I know as not only a sufferer of C-5 - C-6 injuries (Spinal Fusion 2000) but add onto that a trauma and ICU nurse, (25 years) who dealt with spinal cord injuries for a multitude of reasons. I believe I can state some factual things like pain levels, initial transient numbness and inability to use limbs then right down to actual severing of spinal cord symptomology ..Depending on what level..Severing partial or complete causes a lack of neuro impulses below that severing..so would affect his breathing and cardiovascular function (which is life threatening)...
SO, Just maybe stop blaming this victim of police neglect and abuse ..maybe try to walk a bock in his shoes though he was unable to walk in those shoes to that police van...Obviously he was NOT Faking..His request for medic ignored makes all 6 liable 100% for all them who didn't respond to that request or observations.
No Witch burnings nor Hang 'em high here at all..All that's needed is that responsibility be taken and justice to happen. Apologist's just aren't going to change the facts as we already know right now..I'm sure there will be more facts coming out once their "Charge Hearing" comes about.
Suppositions inserted as fact then proven as mis-information leaked..however, those MIS-Informations keep getting used as factual enough to speculate and make up some sort of off the wall scenario
Okay,okay I give up! Y'all are right, all the cops are guilty as hell based on what we the public have been told so far (or you were there to see it all) so let's just dispense with the waste of time trial and go right to sentencing.
I mean, that's what y'all are advocating be done so let's just save some $$$ and get it done right now...
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...he was obviously in pain when initially thrown onto stomach into that van handcuffed behind his back...
..maybe try to walk a bock in his shoes though he was unable to walk in those shoes to that police van...Obviously he was NOT Faking..
He was not "thrown" into the van. He was 'placed' into the van on his stomach and then pulled back out to 'stand' on the edge of the van then he 'walked' into the van--as seen in the video.
He was not "thrown" into the van. He was 'placed' into the van on his stomach and then pulled back out to 'stand' on the edge of the van then he 'walked' into the van--as seen in the video.
To be fair, it looked like he was barely able to get into the van. When I watched the video it looked like he was barely able to stand on one of his legs in order to get into the van. But he was also screaming while being dragged to the van.
Okay,okay I give up! Y'all are right, all the cops are guilty as hell based on what we the public have been told so far (or you were there to see it all) so let's just dispense with the waste of time trial and go right to sentencing.
I mean, that's what y'all are advocating be done so let's just save some $$$ and get it done right now...
Don't give up jimj, you are running circles around these other posters!
Oh please, let's not let critical thinking get in the way of the mob.
Many things "could" have happened, we'll have to wait and see or, we can just toss the six in jail for life right now on the word of one elected official...
Personally I do think that the officers were grossly negligent and I do hope that at least some of the 6 will be convicted on some of the charges, even if that means just the lesser ones. But the reality is, the system is set up to protect officers.
They'll get their day in court. That's what matters.
I think trials like this...of these officers... are theoretically good for the collective social conscience of Americans. Police who are accused fair and square by prosecutors for misconduct do indeed need to be tried in court. And, as-always, most of the evidence will come out, and be judged on merit.
What is NOT good, however: I am disturbed with verdicts rendered by the system that are viewed as somehow "unfair". In modern times, anyway. If there is one thing professional people despise more than any other, it is bum riots. If you'd call a snap-election the day that is happening, I'm reasonably sure we'd all vote to have them rounded up tomorrow.
Martin-Zimmerman trial seemed fair, for those who actually read the court transcript (I read part of it). Everyone got their day in court, the credible being separated from incredible fairly quickly. Heck, even OJ trial was "fair" in the sense that it was fought by teams of prosecutors and lawyers, and Reasonable Doubt won the day. Casey Anthony slipped through the same slippery door of "Reasonable Doubt," distasteful though it was to anyone with an IQ over 85. There was plenty of reasonable doubt for Darren Wilson, little for the 'Gentle Giant'; the facts stood alone (again, based on grand jury transcript summary released to the public). Fair, all of it, per our judicial system. Don't like it, move back to Russia where those who can pay off the greatest number of corrupt officials tend to win the day.
I was on a jury in January for King County court (Seattle). The SOB on trial was guilty of something, we all knew it. Emotionally, I'd have laughed and enjoyed watching three fat cops work him over with truncheons and boots, then off for a month in a body cast followed by some quality jail time with the homies. Rationally, the five of us (one juror was mentally out to lunch) knew he was Not Guilty, so we fought over the merits for an hour and a half but all came to the same reluctant conclusion. Oh, if anyone cares, Defendant was White, a POS low-level mob enforcer from Central Europe (I personally suspect).
Hey, I slept great that night, day we announced verdict to the court: we did the "right" thing, which by mob-rule was *not* the right thing. With one exception, though, there were no bums or "social activists" on this particular jury, all had time to speak their mind, so justice really did work the way it should.
Mobs who kill and destroy need to be dispersed with National Guard, via rubber bullets, bats, and chemicals, with ringleaders sentenced to jail. Protesters, in-contrast, need to be protected. Big difference, gang.
No need...never said what you claimed. Present proof or you can "play" dumb.
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