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Old 05-02-2015, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Canada
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And plenty of law abiding citizens can be suspected of crimes they didn't commit. And that could very well be you one day. What if your car matches a description? Or your height/weight/hair color, etc?

It doesn't matter if you're law abiding at that point or not, because they will do anything they can to build a case against you including lying their blue butts off both to you and about you.
Looking at his arrest record..NEVER indicated possession of firearms..mainly charges for possession Marijuana.....None of his charges were possession with intent pf dealing..likely because only small amounts found each time he got stopped...I kinda LOL on one charge.."Lying to Police"..SMH..Cops have one agenda in poverty stricken area's..and that's to rack up arrests against as many residents as possible..and get pats on the back and credits towards rising up in rank by doing so...It's the reasoning behind such behaviours of LE that has prevailed since Gov. O'Malley continued the harsh "War on Drugs" from the '90's....But facts remain..during his tenure dozen's of correction officers have been found corrupt or abusive....Since he's considering a run for higher office..I think he's going to try and spin his way out of it....It's been proven war on drugs only really benefited the "Correctional Private Enterprises" all the while getting support from said corporations!!!

Gov. O'Malley's claims about BGF probe at Baltimore City Detention Center ring hollow. - tribunedigital-baltimoresun

Corruption as seen illustrated below is NOT just linked to those few cops walking/riding the beat..It goes directly to the top..including Police Chief for turning blind eye's to behaviours ...I tend think things may change bit..certainly NOT reversing 100% what's going on..But it's a step in the right direction IMO
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Old 05-02-2015, 05:52 PM
 
Location: zooland 1
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That person who was speaking in the shadows said some nonsense about heroin or FG was dealing drugs.

Gee, the charging document that I posted up thread, had nothing on it about drugs, only a switchblade which turned out to be a legal knife.

So, all this guy in the shadows is trying to do is muddy the waters and bring out the conspiracy theories that dirty the jury pool.

This case needs to be kept clean for any outside influences like this one who spoke.
You mean politicians?

If he has direct knowledge or even statements after the fact he will at some point be investigated and interviewed by some da investigator or defense investigator ... which would be prudent
Right now he's worried about keeping his job as he spoke negatively about his command staff...once and if he is subpoenaed then court process will shield him from some department payback

As to police racking up arrests... what a bunch of hooey... today departments dont want arrests.. they cost huge amounts of money ..they generate complaints.. they get officers hurt... they do like cites but by law cannot use them as a measure of productivity through quotas....

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Old 05-02-2015, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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So last night a couple of interviews with Baltimore Cops who wished to remain anonymous give some inside information to that arrest and condition of Freddie Gray.
If these statements are proven to be true the cops that are now going to trial will most likely be criminally vindicated.
From one cop: The toxicology report shows Freddie had Heroine and Pot in his system when arrested. This is important given what is now being said about the reason Freddie was arrested which was that officers saw him doing a suspected drug deal (exchanging a small package for cash) in an area known for drug sales and when they went to confront both Freddie and the buyer they both ran in different directions.
When Freddie was caught he didn't have any drugs on him (surprise,surprise) so they listed other reasons for probable cause.
The officer went on to say that in that area when drug dealers are confronted they either run and toss the drugs or swallow the drugs.
Now if you look back to what Freddie (alleged) was found to have in his system at the time that lends credence to the idea he ate his own drugs to avoid a drug arrest and this alone could have led to his death.

Hmmmm, plot thickens doesn't it????

Can't wait for them to release all the information...
That's hilarious. So far, it has been a "switchblade, suicide, banging head for sympathy, spinal operation, and now dealing dope, and eating his dope. Stand by folks, Aliens and Obama are going to be inserted here some place. Seems that some Cops are getting pretty desperate at this point, and I can see why they should worry. I understand, from "anonymous" sources that these Cops are scared silly, and think they will go to jail since being caught. From one source: The Cops do this all the time, just don't get caught.

How's that? Those darned "Anonymous Sources" are just all over the place aren't they? Wonder why they change their stories every couple of days? Probably because they can't remember what lie they told before.

Why not hold your breath until this information is released. And yes, the "Plot" is thick, just don't step in it or you will need to scrape your shoes before entering the house.
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Old 05-02-2015, 06:11 PM
 
Location: CasaMo
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You mean politicians?

If he has direct knowledge or even statements after the fact he will at some point be investigated and interviewed by some da investigator or defense investigator ... which would be prudent
Right now he's worried about keeping his job as he spoke negatively about his command staff...once and if he is subpoenaed then court process will shield him from some department payback
You know more about a procedure in an instance like this than I do, but would he be able to plead the 5th and not take the stand during a trial?
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Old 05-02-2015, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Ontario, NY
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The prosecutor made a rush decision to charge the police officers to appease the protestors. Frankly the charges will never hold up in court. I think at worse One office will be found guiltily of not following procedure of securing the prisoner in the police van. The others police officers will all get off and we will have Baltimore rioting round two. They would have been better off having a more complete investigation and filing charges that will actually stand up in court
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Old 05-02-2015, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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C'mon, "if" he swallowed caps of heroin that he was selling it could've given him seizures (spine injury) due to an overdose which could also explain his heart stopping as well as his depressed breathing.
A Cop using his knee to slam Greys head down, which a lot of folks witnessed, would be a lot better cause than a seizure, which no one witnessed.

Then as you said, That could also explain his heart stopping as well as his depressed breathing.

I can't wait to see what other silly stuff you have stashed on this. Drag Obama in this before some one else thinks of it. Thats always a good one for some.
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Old 05-02-2015, 06:27 PM
 
Location: zooland 1
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You know more about a procedure in an instance like this than I do, but would he be able to plead the 5th and not take the stand during a trial?
No.. if he was determined to be a witness and not a suspect ...which he isn't.. he can be compelled to give testimony or face contempt...and actually departmental sanction for not cooperating ... police officers are required by policy including internal investigations to make truthful statements.. which is an easy way to fire liars...

All of us as citizens can be compelled to testify as witnesses... there is no harm as there is being a suspect

Obama has already drawn himself in... his subjects didn't have to
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Old 05-02-2015, 06:39 PM
 
Location: CasaMo
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No.. if he was determined to be a witness and not a suspect ...which he isn't.. he can be compelled to give testimony or face contempt...and actually departmental sanction for not cooperating ... police officers are required by policy including internal investigations to make truthful statements.. which is an easy way to fire liars...

All of us as citizens can be compelled to testify as witnesses... there is no harm as there is being a suspect

Obama has already drawn himself in... his subjects didn't have to
Got it. Disagree with you on occasion, but appreciate your clarification on this.
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Old 05-02-2015, 07:29 PM
 
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Frankly the charges will never hold up in court. I think at worse One office will be found guiltily of not following procedure of securing the prisoner in the police van. The others police officers will all get off and we will have Baltimore rioting round two. They would have been better off having a more complete investigation and filing charges that will actually stand up in court
You may be right. The officers are receiving due process.
Gray's so-called charge (i.e. possession of an illegal weapon) likely wouldn't have held up either. Sadly he was deprived of his right to due process.
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Old 05-02-2015, 08:16 PM
 
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All of us as citizens can be compelled to testify as witnesses... there is no harm as there is being a suspect
Not true. No one can be compelled to provide witness testimony that incriminates them.

Nolo.com: Your Fifth Amendment Privilege Against Self-Incrimination
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Witnesses can assert the privilege against self-incrimination in civil proceedings as well as criminal ones, despite the seemingly limiting language of the Fifth Amendment. They can assert it in state or federal court, in a wide variety of proceedings (including trials, depositions, administrative law proceedings, and investigatory proceedings like grand jury hearings).
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